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[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Naw thats just the front they only care about that they make sure they have police protection & streets stay ploweed while the rest of the city dont get nothing

Not true.  Just ask Michael Blandic, who was mayor when the Blizzard of '79 occurred.   Not only did he not get any side streets, he instituted express service on the Lake San Ryan.  Since the 2000 series cars suffered undercarriage damage from snow and road salt, the shortage of cars caused the mayor to call for the express service.   Trains on Lake St ran express east of Laramie and Dan Ryan trains ran express to downtown north of 79th.  Yhe thinking was that the affected passengers had nearby rail services they could use instead. 

These issues led to Jane Byrne being elected mayor just a fee months later.   She promised better snow removal.   Ever since, the city has gone over budget to make sure the streets get plowed.   Not plowing streets in a timely manner will get a mayor booted out of office.  Since most of the voters don't live downtown,  the city and the mayor can't afford to ignore the rest of the city. 

Historically,  downtowns are the central business districts of cities.  They are economic engines, tourist destinations.  They generate a lot of revenue.   If downtown gets a reputation for being unsafe, businesses will move, stores will close, and tourists will stop coming.  Without that cash flow, your taxes will certainly go up to pay for police and fire service, garbage pick up, etc.  Look at Gary.   Do you want Chicago to be a bigger version of that?  No downtown to speak of, and now all of Gary is really.  Real deserted.  Real dangerous.  Real neglected.  Snow plowing doesn't exist at all.  You want the city to provide service for your neighborhood,  but don't want the people or businesses who help pay for that service to not have any. 

[Shannoncvpi]

3 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Not true.  Just ask Michael Blandic, who was mayor when the Blizzard of '79 occurred.   Not only did he not get any side streets, he instituted express service on the Lake San Ryan.  Since the 2000 series cars suffered undercarriage damage from snow and road salt, the shortage of cars caused the mayor to call for the express service.   Trains on Lake St ran express east of Laramie and Dan Ryan trains ran express to downtown north of 79th.  Yhe thinking was that the affected passengers had nearby rail services they could use instead. 

These issues led to Jane Byrne being elected mayor just a fee months later.   She promised better snow removal.   Ever since, the city has gone over budget to make sure the streets get plowed.   Not plowing streets in a timely manner will get a mayor booted out of office.  Since most of the voters don't live downtown,  the city and the mayor can't afford to ignore the rest of the city. 

Historically,  downtowns are the central business districts of cities.  They are economic engines, tourist destinations.  They generate a lot of revenue.   If downtown gets a reputation for being unsafe, businesses will move, stores will close, and tourists will stop coming.  Without that cash flow, your taxes will certainly go up to pay for police and fire service, garbage pick up, etc.  Look at Gary.   Do you want Chicago to be a bigger version of that?  No downtown to speak of, and now all of Gary is really.  Real deserted.  Real dangerous.  Real neglected.  Snow plowing doesn't exist at all.  You want the city to provide service for your neighborhood,  but don't want the people or businesses who help pay for that service to not have any. 

Its businesses in this the hoods who pay just like downtown do & yet 63rf is still not plowed people that work downtown live in alot of these neigborhoods that they dont plow but they also help downtown flow give the hpods the same treatment they give downtown its hella side streets & main streets that aint been plowed 

[artthouwill]

5 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Its businesses in this the hoods who pay just like downtown do & yet 63rf is still not plowed people that work downtown live in alot of these neigborhoods that they dont plow but they also help downtown flow give the hpods the same treatment they give downtown its hella side streets & main streets that aint been plowed 

I grew up on 63rd.   If you think 53rd St businesses,  especially east of Western support Chicago like the downtown businesses,  I'm checking you into rehab before you OD. 

I spent some time in Minneapolis and this is how they ploweed side streets.   After a  snowstorm,  on an even day, they banned parking on the even side of the street  ( the side with addresses ending in even numbers) until that side was ploweed.   The following day, parking was banned in the odd side on the odd days until plowing was complete.   Sometimes the odd days came first.  At the end, the entire street was pliwed.

Here the plow comes down the middle of the side streets,  pushing snow up against parked cars, burying them.  You have to dig out essentially putting snowstorm back in the street.   The main arterial streets ban parking when there's more than 2 inches of snow and other arterial streets ban parking overnight between 3 to 7 am between December 1st and March 31st regardless of weather.   

Obviously the city has to be careful as some sude streets are narrow and the city doesn't to hit parked cars with the plows    ur should adopt the Minneapolis plan.  I think Oak Park has a similar plan.

Who knows,  maybe the plows in the hood are on your 16 day sabbatical against the release of former officer CammCan Dyke    That would serve the activists right 

[strictures]

10 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Here the plow comes down the middle of the side streets,  pushing snow up against parked cars, burying them.  You have to dig out essentially putting snowstorm back in the street.   The main arterial streets ban parking when there's more than 2 inches of snow and other arterial streets ban parking overnight between 3 to 7 am between December 1st and March 31st regardless of weather.   

Obviously the city has to be careful as some side streets are narrow and the city doesn't to hit parked cars with the plows    We  should adopt the Minneapolis plan.  I think Oak Park has a similar plan.

 

1.  While the city bans parking on main streets after a 2" snow, it's never enforced.  So you see hundreds of cars plowed in for days & sometimes weeks.

2.  The city doesn't know how to properly plow side streets.  On all narrow E/W side streets, the snow should be plowed to the north side of the street.  That way the sun melts the snow on sunny winter days. 

3. The city plows up snow into bus stops & crosswalks all the time.   Even a heavy duty snow blower can't get rid of that icy mess.

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, strictures said:

1.  While the city bans parking on main streets after a 2" snow, it's never enforced.  So you see hundreds of cars plowed in for days & sometimes weeks.

2.  The city doesn't know how to properly plow side streets.  On all narrow E/W side streets, the snow should be plowed to the north side of the street.  That way the sun melts the snow on sunny winter days. 

3. The city plows up snow into bus stops & crosswalks all the time.   Even a heavy duty snow blower can't get rid of that icy mess.

1.  The city used to vigorously enforce the oversight ban.  There were more tow trucks on the road on December 1st than cars ( that weren't being towed).  I don't know if the pandemic has any effect or is the cause of non enforcement. 

2.  The Minneapolis plan is still better because the entire street gets plowed and cars don't get buried in the ploweed snow.  The key thing i didn't mention was that cars that weren't moved got ticketed and towed

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3i don't know who's responsible for clearing out bus stops.  Bus drivers have to adjust.  It may be better not to attempt to curb the bus than to risk getting stuck in the snow.

[strictures]

30 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

1.  The city used to vigorously enforce the oversight ban.  There were more tow trucks on the road on December 1st than cars ( that weren't being towed).  I don't know if the pandemic has any effect or is the cause of non enforcement.

3i don't know who's responsible for clearing out bus stops.  Bus drivers have to adjust.  It may be better not to attempt to curb the bus than to risk getting stuck in the snow.

I'm not talking about the 3AM-7AM total parking ban, I was specifically writing about the 2" ban.  It is totally ignored!

No one seems to be responsible for clearing bus stops & cross walks.  It's not just Chicago, but Wilmette piles up the snow at the Linden L station & it's close to impossible to get on or off a bus there.  And Wilmette plows it sidewalks, but not the bus stops.

[Shannoncvpi]

18 hours ago, artthouwill said:

I grew up on 63rd.   If you think 53rd St businesses,  especially east of Western support Chicago like the downtown businesses,  I'm checking you into rehab before you OD. 

I spent some time in Minneapolis and this is how they ploweed side streets.   After a  snowstorm,  on an even day, they banned parking on the even side of the street  ( the side with addresses ending in even numbers) until that side was ploweed.   The following day, parking was banned in the odd side on the odd days until plowing was complete.   Sometimes the odd days came first.  At the end, the entire street was pliwed.

Here the plow comes down the middle of the side streets,  pushing snow up against parked cars, burying them.  You have to dig out essentially putting snowstorm back in the street.   The main arterial streets ban parking when there's more than 2 inches of snow and other arterial streets ban parking overnight between 3 to 7 am between December 1st and March 31st regardless of weather.   

Obviously the city has to be careful as some sude streets are narrow and the city doesn't to hit parked cars with the plows    ur should adopt the Minneapolis plan.  I think Oak Park has a similar plan.

Who knows,  maybe the plows in the hood are on your 16 day sabbatical against the release of former officer CammCan Dyke    That would serve the activists right 

But the main streets in the hood dont in a good mount of time like how downtown does shit Cicero western & ashland all on the south end of the city got ploweed the next day while downtown got done same time thats why I say they say Chicago is 1 whole city united then they need to act like it aint no way in he'll south & westside streets should get plowed days later while downtoen is clean just like with 12 downtown have 1 shooting they ask for more police they get 200 officers in the real Chicago if we ask for more officers we dont get it or we get offiers that worry about wrong things be abusing them plate readers stopping cars for expired plates or hold up the street to write a parked car when they could be looking for stolen cars

[NewFlyerMCI]

1 hour ago, Shannoncvpi said:

But the main streets in the hood dont in a good mount of time like how downtown does shit Cicero western & ashland all on the south end of the city got ploweed the next day while downtown got done same time thats why I say they say Chicago is 1 whole city united then they need to act like it aint no way in he'll south & westside streets should get plowed days later while downtoen is clean just like with 12 downtown have 1 shooting they ask for more police they get 200 officers in the real Chicago if we ask for more officers we dont get it or we get offiers that worry about wrong things be abusing them plate readers stopping cars for expired plates or hold up the street to write a parked car when they could be looking for stolen cars

 

[Shannoncvpi]

2 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

 

Yea it too 3 days for them to get to this point if the city is 1 then they need to act like it 

[NewFlyerMCI]

1 hour ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Yea it too 3 days for them to get to this point if the city is 1 then they need to act like it 

There's no pleasing you lol, idk how the city could be more "1" than it all being plowed at the same time. Snow plowing does not get done in a day nor does the heavy plowing happen during the storm ?

Only way the whole city gets cleared on day 1 if is you take the bike racks of CTA buses and replace them with snowplows ?

[BusHunter]

17 hours ago, Shannoncvpi said:

But the main streets in the hood dont in a good mount of time like how downtown does shit Cicero western & ashland all on the south end of the city got ploweed the next day while downtown got done same time thats why I say they say Chicago is 1 whole city united then they need to act like it aint no way in he'll south & westside streets should get plowed days later while downtoen is clean just like with 12 downtown have 1 shooting they ask for more police they get 200 officers in the real Chicago if we ask for more officers we dont get it or we get offiers that worry about wrong things be abusing them plate readers stopping cars for expired plates or hold up the street to write a parked car when they could be looking for stolen cars

Well downtown dont have any side streets, plus its my opinion downtown should get priority because it is downtown and serves the most people. 

It does seem to me though, the city was a day late on the side streets. Too much attention was on the main roads, not enough on the side streets. When you got the news out talking about getting stuck on pine grove, and the channel 7 news van getting stuck, we have a problem here. Would it hurt the fleet to pull off a few trucks to hit the problem areas? When you are getting 311 calls, why not address those areas. That is being an efficient city. 

Are we the only city with dibs? Why not plow the park lanes. Problem solved. The suburbs do it. They could always have main road amnesty day and let the side streets park there until they get the park lanes done. 

Plus they dont plow alleys??? Can you say bilandic??? They sure did when Daley was around. How will the garbage be picked up if there is a 20 inch storm. They almost have to do it then cause its a public safety hazard. 

[NewFlyerMCI]

17 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

Are we the only city with dibs?

Chicago is the original, but every city with 600k or more people from Richmond to Boston have some variant of it. Pittsburgh too apparently

Ironically, the grid system is once again rearing it’s head here. I know in DC, informal as it is, but side streets with bus routes get 2nd priority (just below main thoroughfares). Although, DC’s size means there’s a lot more side streets compared to main thoroughfares. In Chicago, it’s rare for buses to be on the side streets, so the city’s achieved the two-in-one goal of making sure the buses can operate and also having the main streets cleared

[Shannoncvpi]

3 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

There's no pleasing you lol, idk how the city could be more "1" than it all being plowed at the same time. Snow plowing does not get done in a day nor does the heavy plowing happen during the storm ?

Only way the whole city gets cleared on day 1 if is you take the bike racks of CTA buses and replace them with snowplows ?

Naw I'm just saying they make their crooked campaign off us but we are the last go get any services that we pay taxes on like any other part of the city

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

Well downtown dont have any side streets, plus its my opinion downtown should get priority because it is downtown and serves the most people. 

It does seem to me though, the city was a day late on the side streets. Too much attention was on the main roads, not enough on the side streets. When you got the news out talking about getting stuck on pine grove, and the channel 7 news van getting stuck, we have a problem here. Would it hurt the fleet to pull off a few trucks to hit the problem areas? When you are getting 311 calls, why not address those areas. That is being an efficient city. 

Are we the only city with dibs? Why not plow the park lanes. Problem solved. The suburbs do it. They could always have main road amnesty day and let the side streets park there until they get the park lanes done. 

Plus they dont plow alleys??? Can you say bilandic??? They sure did when Daley was around. How will the garbage be picked up if there is a 20 inch storm. They almost have to do it then cause its a public safety hazard. 

I've been floating the side street park lanes idea,  just read up in this thread..  I cited Minneapolis and Oak Park as examples.

Aren't plows attached to the garbage trucks?  Or the city can hire contractors with pickup trucks to plows the alleys.  The only thing is that snow is getting pushed to the sides, blocking garages.

[Shannoncvpi]

1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

Well downtown dont have any side streets, plus its my opinion downtown should get priority because it is downtown and serves the most people. 

It does seem to me though, the city was a day late on the side streets. Too much attention was on the main roads, not enough on the side streets. When you got the news out talking about getting stuck on pine grove, and the channel 7 news van getting stuck, we have a problem here. Would it hurt the fleet to pull off a few trucks to hit the problem areas? When you are getting 311 calls, why not address those areas. That is being an efficient city. 

Are we the only city with dibs? Why not plow the park lanes. Problem solved. The suburbs do it. They could always have main road amnesty day and let the side streets park there until they get the park lanes done. 

Plus they dont plow alleys??? Can you say bilandic??? They sure did when Daley was around. How will the garbage be picked up if there is a 20 inch storm. They almost have to do it then cause its a public safety hazard. 

See this why I coulnt be mayor I'll do things way different have plows all over tbe city fromt side streets to main roads

[NewFlyerMCI]

1 minute ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Naw I'm just saying they make their crooked campaign off us but we are the last go get any services that we pay taxes on like any other part of the city

There's a whole twitter link disproving that statement in this thread. Plows were out across the entire city. And since trash collection has been brought up, it's not like the city slacks there either. Where I am in Philly, trash pickup can be hours or entire days after scheduled collection time, that doesn't routinely happen in my Chicago neighborhood. Are there negative effects in these areas today due to systemic disinvestment? Yes. Mass conspiracy to disenfranchise all non-downtown areas from reliable public goods and utilities? No ?

2 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

See this why I coulnt be mayor I'll do things way different have plows all over tbe city fromt side streets to main roads

So you didn't watch that video then? There's no difference from what that video is showing from what you just said ?. Do you believe the tow trucks just line up at Howard and work their way south?

[Shannoncvpi]

1 hour ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

There's a whole twitter link disproving that statement in this thread. Plows were out across the entire city. And since trash collection has been brought up, it's not like the city slacks there either. Where I am in Philly, trash pickup can be hours or entire days after scheduled collection time, that doesn't routinely happen in my Chicago neighborhood. Are there negative effects in these areas today due to systemic disinvestment? Yes. Mass conspiracy to disenfranchise all non-downtown areas from reliable public goods and utilities? No ?

So you didn't watch that video then? There's no difference from what that video is showing from what you just said ?. Do you believe the tow trucks just line up at Howard and work their way south?

I'm saying bro they need to have plows everywhere its a salt spot on 53rd & laslle trucks came & filled up & went downtown why not have then trucks in the hood while trucks are alresdy downtown they just steady had plows doing down there he'll a snowplow just came through my block yesterday 3 days after the snow why did it take that long cause I live in the part of city that they dont care about so they will send a truck to do areas like mines when they fill like it but they make their crooked campaigns off out community not off the downtown area

[YoungBusLover]

44 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

I'm saying bro they need to have plows everywhere its a salt spot on 53rd & laslle trucks came & filled up & went downtown why not have then trucks in the hood while trucks are alresdy downtown they just steady had plows doing down there he'll a snowplow just came through my block yesterday 3 days after the snow why did it take that long cause I live in the part of city that they dont care about so they will send a truck to do areas like mines when they fill like it but they make their crooked campaigns off out community not off the downtown area

I travel all over the city and a lot of areas that aren't the south and west sides weren't plowed but I put that more on CDOT than the city itself. I've seen so many snow plows sitting idle during the overnight periods during the most recent snow storm and then afterwards. I kept wondering if they're on Fallback for lunch or are they just waiting for further instruction either I was confused because while I was traveling up north on Halsted the other day the amount of snow I saw on side streets between Armitage and Irving was the same as it was near where I live around between 87th/95th Ashland and Western. I was in litttle village the other morning and the side streets between 26th and Western to maybe Pulaski were practically impossible to pass without getting stuck. 

[artthouwill]

54 minutes ago, YoungBusLover said:

I travel all over the city and a lot of areas that aren't the south and west sides weren't plowed but I put that more on CDOT than the city itself. I've seen so many snow plows sitting idle during the overnight periods during the most recent snow storm and then afterwards. I kept wondering if they're on Fallback for lunch or are they just waiting for further instruction either I was confused because while I was traveling up north on Halsted the other day the amount of snow I saw on side streets between Armitage and Irving was the same as it was near where I live around between 87th/95th Ashland and Western. I was in litttle village the other morning and the side streets between 26th and Western to maybe Pulaski were practically impossible to pass without getting stuck. 

Those north side side streets can be very narrow.  Arlington Pl is very narrow 

Any car not parked close to the curb is subject to get hit.  Parking up there is already at a premium.  It's probably good Those streets didn't immediately get plowed.   While the streets would have been passable, residents parked on those streets wouldn't be able to go anywhere until a major thaw occurred.   Why the city doesn't implement a side street policy requiring cars to move during snow removal is beyond crazy.  Minneapolis has it down to a science and their weather is worse than ours.

[Sam92]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

Those north side side streets can be very narrow.  Arlington Pl is very narrow 

Any car not parked close to the curb is subject to get hit.  Parking up there is already at a premium.  It's probably good Those streets didn't immediately get plowed.   While the streets would have been passable, residents parked on those streets wouldn't be able to go anywhere until a major thaw occurred.   Why the city doesn't implement a side street policy requiring cars to move during snow removal is beyond crazy.  Minneapolis has it down to a science and their weather is worse than ours.

The fact that they're used to it is probably why they're better at dealing with it. It's not different than us looking at southern states wild for shutting down over a few inches of snow. Texas is used to hear but not snow; we're usedto a bit of everything but not extremes like other states so we can take a bit more than other places but only so much when it becomes extreme. Minnesota is closes to colder air so it makes sense 

[BusHunter]

9 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Those north side side streets can be very narrow.  Arlington Pl is very narrow 

Any car not parked close to the curb is subject to get hit.  Parking up there is already at a premium.  It's probably good Those streets didn't immediately get plowed.   While the streets would have been passable, residents parked on those streets wouldn't be able to go anywhere until a major thaw occurred.   Why the city doesn't implement a side street policy requiring cars to move during snow removal is beyond crazy.  Minneapolis has it down to a science and their weather is worse than ours.

I did see a white streets and san truck like the supervisors drive with a plow on it over by kedzie and palmer on friday. I guess the plows cant do the itty bitty side streets of logan and humboldt blvd. They are small. I wonder how they plow the speed bumps. We seem to be the only city that has them in such great numbers. 

[artthouwill]

14 hours ago, Sam92 said:

The fact that they're used to it is probably why they're better at dealing with it. It's not different than us looking at southern states wild for shutting down over a few inches of snow. Texas is used to hear but not snow; we're usedto a bit of everything but not extremes like other states so we can take a bit more than other places but only so much when it becomes extreme. Minnesota is closes to colder air so it makes sense 

You only need one inch of snow or some freezing rain ri shut down rge southern states.  Ala, Tennessee,  and Kentucky are very hilly states and i  believe the Carolinas are too.  Eastern Tennessee and Georgia are mountainous 

  Without road salt, you don't stand a chance. 

In regards to Texas, based on what happened in early 2021 with their cold snap, they need salt and a bigger electric grid.  If that cold snap produced blackouts, what would electric vehicles do to the system down there?  I guess everything isn't bigger in Texas unless you are counting headaches.

[BusHunter]

3 hours ago, artthouwill said:

You only need one inch of snow or some freezing rain ri shut down rge southern states.  Ala, Tennessee,  and Kentucky are very hilly states and i  believe the Carolinas are too.  Eastern Tennessee and Georgia are mountainous 

  Without road salt, you don't stand a chance. 

In regards to Texas, based on what happened in early 2021 with their cold snap, they need salt and a bigger electric grid.  If that cold snap produced blackouts, what would electric vehicles do to the system down there?  I guess everything isn't bigger in Texas unless you are counting headaches.

Alot of times in the south they spread sand cause they dont have salt to spread. The snow operation is primitive at best. Many places dont even have salt trucks or plows. Alot of roads are fast moving so it can get dangerous in a hurry. Eastern Tennessee and kentucky are hilly. Western not so much. Parts of eastern kentucky like around harlin dont even have cell service or internet. So imagine driving thriugh there with no gps in a snow storm and ice.at night. It can be somewhat scary and other worldly. Only those native to the land know how to travel. There is always randall mcnally!! 

[strictures]

10 hours ago, BusHunter said:

 I wonder how they plow the speed bumps. We seem to be the only city that has them in such great numbers. 

They damage the front edge of the speed bumps, because the plow blade rips it up.  That's due to the fact Chicago has no idea how to build a speed hump correctly.  No two are identical, because the Streets & San truck just dumps a load of bituminous concrete [AKA] asphalt] onto the street & the workers shape it into a hump.  It's totally convex.  Go over them in the city & even while wearing a tight seat belt, you can hit your head on the roof of a car.

But go into Evanston & their speed humps are perfect, as they have a concave entrance, which then blends perfectly into the convex hump & then a concave exit to it.  They must use a template & a different & better blend of the bituminous concrete.

[Shannoncvpi]

21 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

I travel all over the city and a lot of areas that aren't the south and west sides weren't plowed but I put that more on CDOT than the city itself. I've seen so many snow plows sitting idle during the overnight periods during the most recent snow storm and then afterwards. I kept wondering if they're on Fallback for lunch or are they just waiting for further instruction either I was confused because while I was traveling up north on Halsted the other day the amount of snow I saw on side streets between Armitage and Irving was the same as it was near where I live around between 87th/95th Ashland and Western. I was in litttle village the other morning and the side streets between 26th and Western to maybe Pulaski were practically impossible to pass without getting stuck. 

Same last Friday I took ny girl to the doc & it was a mess on ashland up to Irving park but I they came plowing cause when I went back by 10 it was clean while the south end was a mess