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[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

47 minutes ago, 18thalek said:

hey everyone,

 

at Jefferson park I noticed the local bus routes such as 81W 68 85A and 88 seem to interline with one another, as in: when I'm at the station it seems theres a predictable pattern as to what a 81W will become upon discharging passengers. Does anyone know what the actual pattern is? thanks

the 68/81W/85A/88 don’t interline no more on weekdays, they are one route.

 

for example (a operator can do 68 for the first half of their run and then after fallback can either come back and be doing the 68 again or can go do the 85A/88/81W) as for on saturday’s the 85A/81W interline and the 68/88 on both saturday/sunday

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

the 68/81W/85A/88 don’t interline no more on weekdays, they are one route.

Technically, you're incorrect. They are interlined routes,but one schedule block (block being defined as when the bus leaves the garage until when it returns).

This isn't any difference from former Pace practice, where a 208 would become 212 and vice versa at Davis, or in Highland Park where buses went from 471-472-473, but, in the opposite direction, .473 to 471 was always in the same circle.

The distinction is illustrated by the following run history for this morning. The bus was on routes 148, 151, and 22, but all trips were in block 22-513:

 

 

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

11 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Technically, you're incorrect.

here are 2 example runs for weekdays……

[Busjack]

11 minutes ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

here are 2 example runs for weekdays……

I don't know what the L numbers are, but clearly the F numbers show that there are several run numbers on the schedules, and I really doubt that one driver has 9 to 13 hours of "platform time." But the PULLIN time at the end indicates that each schedule is a block.

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

57 minutes ago, Busjack said:

I don't know what the L numbers are, but clearly the F numbers show that there are several run numbers on the schedules, and I really doubt that one driver has 9 to 13 hours of "platform time." But the PULLIN time at the end indicates that each schedule is a block.

L: leader F: follower

[Sam92]

12 hours ago, Busjack said:

Technically, you're incorrect. They are interlined routes,but one schedule block (block being defined as when the bus leaves the garage until when it returns).

This isn't any difference from former Pace practice, where a 208 would become 212 and vice versa at Davis, or in Highland Park where buses went from 471-472-473, but, in the opposite direction, .473 to 471 was always in the same circle.

The distinction is illustrated by the following run history for this morning. The bus was on routes 148, 151, and 22, but all trips were in block 22-513:

 

 

 

13 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

the 68/81W/85A/88 don’t interline no more on weekdays, they are one route.

 

for example (a operator can do 68 for the first half of their run and then after fallback can either come back and be doing the 68 again or can go do the 85A/88/81W) as for on saturday’s the 85A/81W interline and the 68/88 on both saturday/sunday

Depending on what @Mr.NewFlyer1279 meant by them being one route he's right that on weekdays at least, buses at Jefferson Park on the feeders don't interline routes with the same vehicle block anymore. All of them seem to stay on the same route compared to before where they'd come into Jeff as an 85A and leave as 81W in the week. However I'm seeing new interlines out of FG such as a bus with on 86 with a 77 block ID(maybe a school trip? This was like 6:30-7:30) , 91 with 56 ID so looks like they substituted interlines with the same bus on more mainline routes vs using the same bus on multiple feeders. So that leaves Midway and 95th as the only 2 terminals that interlines feeders on the same bus

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, Sam92 said:

Depending on what @Mr.NewFlyer1279 meant by them being one route he's right that on weekdays at least, buses at Jefferson Park on the feeders don't interline routes with the same vehicle block anymore. All of them seem to stay on the same route compared to before where they'd come into Jeff as an 85A and leave as 81W in the week.

At least in the first posted schedule, the bus is on 68 to 10:49, then on 88 until PULLIN, so they are interlined to that extent. Apparently, 68, 85A, and 88 are all in the 400 run number group. But there's also a follower 781 from the Belmont run number group.

So, I agree with your point that this block isn't consistently 68>88>85A>68>88, but there is a midday interline. In the second posted schedule, it is apparently an all day 85A.

I don't think CTA makes distinctions based on feeder routes, but, again from this schedule, what is needed to maintain the posted headway. It isn't like Pace having had 600 series routes to meet scheduled Metra trains (not all 600s being that, though).

[urbanguy0508]

Here's a web map that shows the routes that were part of CTA's bus network during various years from 2000 to 2020.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1-vyj9uXNVMAHKHFvViY38G1xfI5igwQ

[NF James]

Question for any driver that may know the answer. I've been on the job since March of this year working out of Chicago garage. We have a driver that's going through some issues and need help. Far as I know it is a mix of personal and PSTD issues from the war. Is there a way I could report it without getting him Into any trouble? One driver already stated he hasn't been the same after a situation at his home way back in May. That he use to crack jokes now he bearly talks and is always thinking somebody is coming to get him.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

5 hours ago, NF James said:

Question for any driver that may know the answer. I've been on the job since March of this year working out of Chicago garage. We have a driver that's going through some issues and need help. Far as I know it is a mix of personal and PSTD issues from the war. Is there a way I could report it without getting him Into any trouble? One driver already stated he hasn't been the same after a situation at his home way back in May. That he use to crack jokes now he bearly talks and is always thinking somebody is coming to get him.

Is he able to go on a leave of some sort? To be able to receive some help that he needs

[NF James]

12 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

Is he able to go on a leave of some sort? To be able to receive some help that he needs

I am not sure I know he's been here since 2019

[Busjack]

15 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

Is he able to go on a leave of some sort? To be able to receive some help that he needs

 

2 hours ago, NF James said:

I am not sure I know he's been here since 2019

I'm not a driver, but I know that the above discussion is irrelevant. The questions are whether CTA has an Employee Assistance Program, and whether a fellow employee can refer someone to it, or whether he has to refer himself

[Shannon tahoeppv]

I remember when 8192 was at C when I was pushing it on the 20 seeing it over here on the 6 route for the first time even tho it's been over here for a while 

[Shannon tahoeppv]

Real random here i think I'm the only one to notice cause I am in the car world but CTA & CPD be running the same fleet numbers for instant novas was 6400-6883 cpd tahoes was 6300-65 some other explorers & pattie wagons was 67-68's it was mixed up novas now 7900- the 87's being dropped off now cpd junkie 2020+ explorers 7900-87's but after 8200-86 & change it's a mix of exploders tahoes & vics i thought about it cause days ago when I seen bus 8702 on the 44 sqaud 8702 rode right past it 

[Shannon tahoeppv]

Question what's up with the 11 route running on the 9 multiple times I've seen buses with the 11 sign doing northbound runs on the 9 also I thought the 11 would come out of fg or p not 6 that's all the way on the other side of the city 

[Busjack]

5 hours ago, Shannon tahoeppv said:

Question what's up with the 11 route running on the 9 multiple times I've seen buses with the 11 sign doing northbound runs on the 9 also I thought the 11 would come out of fg or p not 6 that's all the way on the other side of the city 

It's been reported here before that the sign controller is misprogrammed. See the discussion starting here, in the correct topic), but apparently your cousin 😏in the CTA sign shop also thinks everything is Random.

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

5 hours ago, Shannon tahoeppv said:

I thought the 11 would come out of fg or p not 6 that's all the way on the other side of the city 

the 11 is to far to run out of FG, that route runs out of North Park. 

[Shannon tahoeppv]

10 hours ago, Busjack said:

It's been reported here before that the sign controller is misprogrammed. See the discussion starting here, in the correct topic), but apparently your cousin 😏in the CTA sign shop also thinks everything is Random.

Wait who is my cousin i don't have none of my goofy ass family members here

[Shannon tahoeppv]

10 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

the 11 is to far to run out of FG, that route runs out of North Park. 

Bet I'm like i know it runs out of a north side garage wasnt sure which just knew it wasn't out of 6 🤣 

[Smolensk]

Could someone who works for the CTA tell me what the CTA's policy is for making stops when there is an unplanned bus detour?

The other morning, a bit before dawn, I was on a CTA bus and with no announcement or explanation, the bus turned onto another street two blocks before my stop.  I didn't know what was happening at first, but after a block I went up to the operator and asked if I could get off.  She said "I can't just stop anywhere."  I asked where the next stop would be and she said after she got back to the regular route which would be a few miles away  (she had to detour around a forest preserve) and I could get out there.

This would have required me to walk about two miles in the dark thru a forest preserve to get back to my stop.  I ended up staying on the bus until it turned around and returned in the other direction.  After I got home, I checked the CTA web site and there were no service notices for that bus route.  On the morning news, I heard that the police had blocked the street up ahead to investigate a shooting and crash.

When Pace bus drivers need to detour, my experience has been that they will stop at any safe interection along the detour route.  Does CTA not have any similar policy?

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

15 minutes ago, Smolensk said:

Could someone who works for the CTA tell me what the CTA's policy is for making stops when there is an unplanned bus detour?

Normally operators are required to make announcements before the reroute begins as well as make service stops along the reroute (Ex: the 91 currently has a reroute using lawrence-central-montrose-austin) they are required to make stops (if someone boards/alights) along montrose ave where the 78 stops are located between central and austin. 

[Smolensk]

25 minutes ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

Normally operators are required to make announcements before the reroute begins as well as make service stops along the reroute (Ex: the 91 currently has a reroute using lawrence-central-montrose-austin) they are required to make stops (if someone boards/alights) along montrose ave where the 78 stops are located between central and austin. 

Thank you.  This operator made no announcement.   The detour was along streets where there were no  CTA stops.

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, Smolensk said:

Could someone who works for the CTA tell me what the CTA's policy is for making stops when there is an unplanned bus detour?

The other morning, a bit before dawn, I was on a CTA bus and with no announcement or explanation, the bus turned onto another street two blocks before my stop.  I didn't know what was happening at first, but after a block I went up to the operator and asked if I could get off.  She said "I can't just stop anywhere."  I asked where the next stop would be and she said after she got back to the regular route which would be a few miles away  (she had to detour around a forest preserve) and I could get out there.

This would have required me to walk about two miles in the dark thru a forest preserve to get back to my stop.  I ended up staying on the bus until it turned around and returned in the other direction.  After I got home, I checked the CTA web site and there were no service notices for that bus route.  On the morning news, I heard that the police had blocked the street up ahead to investigate a shooting and crash.

When Pace bus drivers need to detour, my experience has been that they will stop at any safe interection along the detour route.  Does CTA not have any similar policy?

I think the keyword is unplanned.   Sometimes the police or fire department will block off a street and the driver is forced to turn.  Depending on where this occurs, the driver may not be familiar with a particular part of the city when it comes to navigating side streets  or streets that aren't major thoroughfares.   This can be worse in the dark.  Drivers can let you off but they also have to make sure it's safe to do so.  This protects the passengers from harm and tge driver from liability.    

I'm sure drivers announce known detours, but unplanned ones could be tricky.   

[Smolensk]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

I think the keyword is unplanned.   Sometimes the police or fire department will block off a street and the driver is forced to turn.  Depending on where this occurs, the driver may not be familiar with a particular part of the city when it comes to navigating side streets  or streets that aren't major thoroughfares.   This can be worse in the dark.  Drivers can let you off but they also have to make sure it's safe to do so.  This protects the passengers from harm and tge driver from liability.    

I'm sure drivers announce known detours, but unplanned ones could be tricky.   

Thank you, I appreciate your response.  But the detour was along 3 major thoroughfares.  There were several stoplights along the path where she could have let me off and I would have been quite happy.

[YoungBusLover]

6 hours ago, Smolensk said:

Thank you, I appreciate your response.  But the detour was along 3 major thoroughfares.  There were several stoplights along the path where she could have let me off and I would have been quite happy.

Was it during the Chicago Marathon this past Sunday or afterwards during this current work week? Depending on the detour and the area to make stops we're required to make announcements and use our best judgement when boarding and alighting customers along said Detour.