And the next garage to get New Flyers is...

[Busjack]

But it would be faster to come via I-90 than come through Milwaukee, even if they used the I-894 bypass., unless the odd # NFs are going that way to go to NP.

But other deliveries from NF have been sighted along the Edens (including by me) so that can't be too unusual.

[Guest]

Hey everyone, just came back from my 2 day field trip to Hubertus, Wisconsin for a camping trip. Yesterday, as I was headed north that way, I spotted a New Flyer by the Kenosha-Lake Geneva exit of I-94, around the outdoor goods store (forgot the name of it ), and today, as I was headed back home, saw 2 Flyers broken down on the side of the expressway about a 1/2 mile before the "Exit 339: East-West, 1 Mile" sign on the expressway. Didn't get the number of the 1st of the NFs, but for sure, I'm positive the 2nd one was numbered #1916, since it was behind the 1st one, and I easily saw the number on the back of the bus as my school bus approached it. Both New Flyers displayed "Chicago Is My Kind of Town". Comments or questions please don't hesitate, I'll try my best to recall both encounters!

Couldve probably been #1914, 1915 or #1917 .

[nflyer22]

Well I'm assuming from your sighting info, they were all 40 footers. They probably were taking a little rest along the side of the road. They have a least a 10 hour drive up from St. Cloud here.

Yeah, all D40LFs. Sorry to mention it above, I got too excited to post this that I forgot. :)

[nflyer22]

I still think it's safe to say 74th is getting several of Kedzie's highest Flyers, now that 1727 is spotted on the #9 right now.

[Busjack]

I still think it's safe to say 74th is getting several of Kedzie's highest Flyers, now that 1727 is spotted on the #9 right now.

As BusHunter indicates, the 6 week test is over, and apparently CTA doesn't care if the electronic advertising sign is downtown. Of course, I'm sure one of our bushawks will quickly determine if the sign is still on it.

[jajuan]

I still think it's safe to say 74th is getting several of Kedzie's highest Flyers, now that 1727 is spotted on the #9 right now.

No more than they already have since Kevin mentioned in the 4000s thread Kedzie is only getting about 12 4000s. So they may get one or two more so your several estimate should account for no more than between 7 and 9 NFs because a few of the lowest 6000s have shown up at 74th too. There's going to be no huge shift from Kedzie this time.

[Busjack]

No more than they already have since Kevin mentioned in the 4000s thread Kedzie is only getting about 12 4000s. So they may get one or two more so your several estimate should account for no more than between 7 and 9 NFs because a few of the lowest 6000s have shown up at 74th too. There's going to be no huge shift from Kedzie this time.

At this point, any big shift wouldn't be expected. However any shift (now at least 5 NFs) is somewhat significant from a standpoint of indicating either whether there was planning ahead or whether some shifts of NFs are necessary to meet the goal of retiring the non BusTracker buses by the end of the year.

For that matter, one would think that some shifts would be necessary to retire the 4400s at 77, but how many seems to depend on how far down 77th's fleet went with routes being transferred to 103 (sort of similar to P going down about 40 buses when some routes were transferred to K) and whether it gets 4000s in time to retire them (since the deliveries of 4000s started a couple of months late, and reports are that 77th will not be the next garage, probably not).

I guess this means you are receding from your placeholder theory. And for those predicting 5 allocations of 30 each, I guess that was too easy.

[jajuan]

At this point, any big shift wouldn't be expected. However any shift (now at least 5 NFs) is somewhat significant from a standpoint of indicating either whether there was planning ahead or whether some shifts of NFs are necessary to meet the goal of retiring the non BusTracker buses by the end of the year.

For that matter, one would think that some shifts would be necessary to retire the 4400s at 77, but how many seems to depend on how far down 77th's fleet went with routes being transferred to 103 (sort of similar to P going down about 40 buses when some routes were transferred to K) and whether it gets 4000s in time to retire them (since the deliveries of 4000s started a couple of months late, and reports are that 77th will not be the next garage, probably not).

I guess this means you are receding from your placeholder theory. And for those predicting 5 allocations of 30 each, I guess that was too easy.

Those types of shift would make sense if it were deemed necessary. There are already the shifts of a few FG 6000s and 1430s from NP and 103 to Chicago to cover some 5300s that got retired there. We can say I'm modifying my placeholder theory as the facts are revealing themselves. Given what Kevin mentioned about a split delivery of 4000s between NP and 103 after Kedzie gets it's roughly 12 bus allotment (which they're already close to with my sighting of 4009 last week), we're bound to see shifts to accommodate those deliveries. Some possible scenarios that make sense logistically and have nothing to do with busfan wishful thinking are a possible increase of NABIs at 77th to cover the nonBustracker buses left there to be retired, some further shifting of NFs from 103 and NP to C for the 5300s that are left there, and then minor shifts as needed beyond those mentioned to make room for the last of the 1000s and further 4000s deliveries wherever they may go after NP and 103. I make no huge or solid predictions because we dont know how many 4000s go to NP and 103 or where they go afterward and we don't know where the final 1000s go after NP and 103.

[BUSANGEL#1]

Those types of shift would make sense if it were deemed necessary. There are already the shifts of a few FG 6000s and 1430s from NP and 103 to Chicago to cover some 5300s that got retired there. We can say I'm modifying my placeholder theory as the facts are revealing themselves. Given what Kevin mentioned about a split delivery of 4000s between NP and 103 after Kedzie gets it's roughly 12 bus allotment (which they're already close to with my sighting of 4009 last week), we're bound to see shifts to accommodate those deliveries. Some possible scenarios that make sense logistically and have nothing to do with busfan wishful thinking are a possible increase of NABIs at 77th to cover the nonBustracker buses left there to be retired, some further shifting of NFs from 103 and NP to C for the 5300s that are left there, and then minor shifts as needed beyond those mentioned to make room for the last of the 1000s and further 4000s deliveries wherever they may go after NP and 103. I make no huge or solid predictions because we dont know how many 4000s go to NP and 103 or where they go afterward and we don't know where the final 1000s go after NP and 103.

After the NP/103 swap, 77/C will swap 35 buses each.

[cta5658]

After the NP/103 swap, 77/C will swap 35 buses each.

how many will 103rd and north park get

[Buslover88]

how many will 103rd and north park get

103rd is getting up to #1960, while NP is getting up to #1959.

[Busjack]

103rd is getting up to #1960, while NP is getting up to #1959.

From what BusHunter indicates, probably not that high. I wouldn't bet that high, either, unless (especially NP) transferring 1400s elsewhere (given not that many 5800s left to replace and the report that both of these garages were getting some 4000s).

After the NP/103 swap, 77/C will swap 35 buses each.

Remember, we are marking this down here, and if it is as accurate as your 74 prediction, you will again be eating a Jello Crow Pudding (Cos likes it). Again, if BusHunter is right about how many 5300s are left the the number of 3 track runs, C shouldn't need more than 20.

At least buslover admitted his source (a couple of years ago, if you know what I mean).

I believe that bus allocations will be like the stock market--volatile.

[BusHunter]

From what BusHunter indicates, probably not that high. I wouldn't bet that high, either, unless (especially NP) transferring 1400s elsewhere (given not that many 5800s left to replace and the report that both of these garages were getting some 4000s).Remember, we are marking this down here, and if it is as accurate as your 74 prediction, you will again be eating a Jello Crow Pudding (Cos likes it). Again, if BusHunter is right about how many 5300s are left the the number of 3 track runs, C shouldn't need more than 20.

At least buslover admitted his source (a couple of years ago, if you know what I mean).

I believe that bus allocations will be like the stock market--volatile.

Here's a few facts I picked up on this week. Did you ever wonder how C got to 23 #5300's left from the thirties. Remember when I said the only way you could really retire those were with a bus swap. well I found out not only did 74th get a few #1720's, but they swapped a few of the #1080's back to C. I seen #1085 on #76 and #1086 on #20 late last week. So, it was all designed to swap out a few more #5300's. Also someone must have realized like I have recently that if you only get 5 buses a week at 2 different garages it will take you forever to get to the next garage. That must be what's behind the double deliveries to NP/103rd, in which I'll admit I've never seen two different bus types being delivered to a garage at the same time. Now I think this really gives me trouble with the Busangel theory. NP will be done with #5800's very quickly now, maybe by the mid Dec. By the time your in the late #1920's with #1000's deliveries, #4000's will help to wipe out what's left. I don't see deliveries at NP going past #1930 now. Also if you swap the #1440's and #50's to C for #5300's why would there be a need to send upper #1900's and #2000's there.

[Busjack]

Here's a few facts I picked up on this week. Did you ever wonder how C got to 23 #5300's left from the thirties. Remember when I said the only way you could really retire those were with a bus swap. well I found out not only did 74th get a few #1720's, but they swapped a few of the #1080's back to C.

If nothing else, proves my volatility point. Also proves one doesn't know which ones have moved until you see them elsewhere.

Last week people were commenting on 1725-1730 (or at least most of them) showing up at 74th. Now, some 1080s show back up at Chicago.

There is also the question whether the 4000s are to replace 5800s, and, in that case, only 12 would be needed--assuming no more 1900s to NP, which may be a stretch. However, there is also the theory that the 4000s will be there to put 7500s temporarily in the shops for repairs.

Thus, even if there is a list of where buses are going, I don't believe that CTA management is adhering to it.

[RJL6000]

103rd is getting up to #1960, while NP is getting up to #1959.

Not even that high. A couple of days ago, someone spotted #1915 at 79th - and the #79 is a 77th Garage route. Thus, around #1910 was the (unofficial) cutoff of the NP/103 deliveries. It appears that 77th will get at least the odd-numbered buses starting with #1911, and who knows which garage will get the even-numbered buses? (Likely C, but might be FG.)

[Guest]

Not even that high. A couple of days ago, someone spotted #1915 at 79th - and the #79 is a 77th Garage route. Thus, around #1910 was the (unofficial) cutoff of the NP/103 deliveries. It appears that 77th will get at least the odd-numbered buses starting with #1911, and who knows which garage will get the even-numbered buses? (Likely C, but might be FG.)

He meant thats how high the deliveries plan to go. Ive spoken to my bus operator friends at FG and they say there arent plans to the assign NF there.

[renardo870]

Not even that high. A couple of days ago, someone spotted #1915 at 79th - and the #79 is a 77th Garage route. Thus, around #1910 was the (unofficial) cutoff of the NP/103 deliveries. It appears that 77th will get at least the odd-numbered buses starting with #1911, and who knows which garage will get the even-numbered buses? (Likely C, but might be FG.)

Yes, I saw a very spanking brand new 1915 on 79th St yesterday. So what happens to the remaining 4400 that are running around? That must be the swan song playing in tha background. I will miss them a lil but...They ran better than the 5300s and the had good speed on LSD.

[Busjack]

Yes, I saw a very spanking brand new 1915 on 79th St yesterday. So what happens to the remaining 4400 that are running around? That must be the swan song playing in tha background. I will miss them a lil but...They ran better than the 5300s and the had good speed on LSD.

Given that BusHunter has 22 at 77, it wouldn't take much.

He meant thats how high the deliveries plan to go. Ive spoken to my bus operator friends at FG and they say there arent plans to the assign NF there.

Garage talk is usually that, but again, once NF deliveries get up to about 1955, that should be enough to get rid of the rest of the 4400s, if one takes the assumption of a split between 103 and 77. Then, if 77 needed any more of the remaining about 74, that would entail moving some Novas. Certainly if 77 got more 7500s or 4000s. And the only logical place....

[greenstreet]

Not even that high. A couple of days ago, someone spotted #1915 at 79th - and the #79 is a 77th Garage route. Thus, around #1910 was the (unofficial) cutoff of the NP/103 deliveries. It appears that 77th will get at least the odd-numbered buses starting with #1911, and who knows which garage will get the even-numbered buses? (Likely C, but might be FG.)

At this time, NPs deliveries have stopped with 1909. 103rd continues receiving NFs and is up to 1922 (evens). As mentioned elsewhere, 77th has begun receiving odds and has 1911, 13, 15 and 19 in addition to 1226-1319 which they received some time ago. As a result, 77th's TMCs are down to 18, while 103rd is down to 15.

[Busjack]

At this time, NPs deliveries have stopped with 1909. 103rd continues receiving NFs and is up to 1922 (evens). As mentioned elsewhere, 77th has begun receiving odds and has 1911, 13, 15 and 19 in addition to 1226-1319 which they received some time ago. As a result, 77th's TMCs are down to 18, while 103rd is down to 15.

So quicker than what I thought even yesterday.

[New Flyer]

I saw 1911 this morning going east on 79th.

[BusExpert32]

Are the 4000s still being delivered to Kedzie Garage?

Do North Park and/or 103rd have any at this point?

[BusHunter]

Not even that high. A couple of days ago, someone spotted #1915 at 79th - and the #79 is a 77th Garage route. Thus, around #1910 was the (unofficial) cutoff of the NP/103 deliveries. It appears that 77th will get at least the odd-numbered buses starting with #1911, and who knows which garage will get the even-numbered buses? (Likely C, but might be FG.)

Hate to start up the rumor mill again, but there is a couple #5800's at FG. Would they train with #5800's? Probably not, but anything's possible. More like their a temporary consolation prize.

[BusExpert32]

Hate to start up the rumor mill again, but there is a couple #5800's at FG. Would they train with #5800's? Probably not, but anything's possible. More like their a temporary consolation prize.

Not much of a prize since most drivers at FG prefer the 6000s over the 6400 Novas anyway.

[Guest]

This morning after completing my Route #855 run from Bolingbrook, I was heading back to Colonial on the Kennedy Exp. I spotted New Flyers #1944 and #1950 heading inbound at Montrose av.