Danielsmusic Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Okay, if there IS supplement service on #22 and #36, then tell me, when did it start? I'm at North and Clark a total of 30 minutes a day. How should I know when it started? I see the buses, but I'm not a supervisor. I don't just sit at North and Clark 24/7/365. I mean, I started SEEING the buses a few months ago, but I don't know exactly when they started. Also, to whomever said there wasn't, there IS supplemental service on the 36, but not intentionally. I'll explain: I was talking to a few NP drivers, and they said that there are occasionally Kedzie or Archer buses running on the 22. When these buses turn around, they turn around at Clark and Devon. Occasionally after these buses are turned around, they will be sent out on the 36 due to an issue with a bus on the 36. According to the operators I talked to, this will only be done when absolutely necessary. However, these buses are never initially assigned to the 36. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 I'm at North and Clark a total of 30 minutes a day. How should I know when it started? I see the buses, but I'm not a supervisor. I don't just sit at North and Clark 24/7/365. I mean, I started SEEING the buses a few months ago, but I don't know exactly when they started. Also, to whomever said there wasn't, there IS supplemental service on the 36, but not intentionally. I'll explain: I was talking to a few NP drivers, and they said that there are occasionally Kedzie or Archer buses running on the 22. When these buses turn around, they turn around at Clark and Devon. Occasionally after these buses are turned around, they will be sent out on the 36 due to an issue with a bus on the 36. According to the operators I talked to, this will only be done when absolutely necessary. However, these buses are never initially assigned to the 36. Okay, we all know Chicago WAS providing supplementary service (for that three track stuff) on #22, but not #36. I haven't heard of #22 being supplemented by Kedzie and Archer, and never heard of #36 being supplemented at all. If these operators you talked to are around anytime soon again, ask them when did this start because if you can't tell me when excatly when it started (you claim to be at North and Clark whenever you take your kid to school), then why should I believe you? I know you aren't a supervisor, by the way, and anybody with common sense wouldn't sit at a corner 24/7/365 (so I agree). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trainman8119 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Occasionally after these buses are turned around, they will be sent out on the 36 due to an issue with a bus on the 36. According to the operators I talked to, this will only be done when absolutely necessary. However, these buses are never initially assigned to the 36. Then, if that is the case, it would not actually be supplemental, just filling in a gap on the way back to the garage and buslover would be correct in saying that 36 never had supplemental service from Archer and/or Kedzie. Also, I would bet many operators wouldn't know a Kedzie bus from Keeler (now retired garage) bus. All they see are buses on the street and don't pay attention, nor do they care. It is very possible they saw supplemental Chicago garage buses and didn't know any better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Okay, if there IS supplement service on #22 and #36, then tell me, when did it start? There is supplement service at least on #22, Buslover88. This past summer I was waiting for a #22 bus to go to Illinois Masonic, and a 5400-Series Flxible turned from Addison onto Clark and picked me up. The buses' run number began with a "5". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusExpert32 Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I'm at North and Clark a total of 30 minutes a day. How should I know when it started? I see the buses, but I'm not a supervisor. I don't just sit at North and Clark 24/7/365. I mean, I started SEEING the buses a few months ago, but I don't know exactly when they started. Also, to whomever said there wasn't, there IS supplemental service on the 36, but not intentionally. I'll explain: I was talking to a few NP drivers, and they said that there are occasionally Kedzie or Archer buses running on the 22. When these buses turn around, they turn around at Clark and Devon. Occasionally after these buses are turned around, they will be sent out on the 36 due to an issue with a bus on the 36. According to the operators I talked to, this will only be done when absolutely necessary. However, these buses are never initially assigned to the 36. Are you going to tell us the actual bus numbers and bus types that you're seeing at North/Clark? Repeating that you've seen the buses isn't answering our questions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Buslover88 Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Also, I would bet many operators wouldn't know a Kedzie bus from Keeler (now retired garage) bus. All they see are buses on the street and don't pay attention, nor do they care. It is very possible they saw supplemental Chicago garage buses and didn't know any better. Agreed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Agreed. I understand the sentiment. I've come across drivers who don't even know different routes' operations unless they're in that driver's assigned garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Okay, I got some information: Apparently, CTA was trying to see whether or not supplementary service for the 22 and 36 could be run from a few garages. For a few days, a couple of 62 runs were interlined with the 36. Also, a few Kedzie runs were done on the 22. The CTA decided that these arrangements didn't work, and so they didn't continue. And, to whomever is saying this stupid comment, I know the difference between garages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I understand the sentiment. I've come across drivers who don't even know different routes' operations unless they're in that driver's assigned garage. Yes, this always happens. It's actually a real problem during summer and the holiday season. Tourists trying to go to certain places will get on a bus and ask the driver if the bus goes there. It's actually pretty funny when people board the 62 on State and the driver doesn't know which bus goes to the Museum Campus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Yes, this always happens. It's actually a real problem during summer and the holiday season. Tourists trying to go to certain places will get on a bus and ask the driver if the bus goes there. It's actually pretty funny when people board the 62 on State and the driver doesn't know which bus goes to the Museum Campus.Especially since there is a bus on State that says "146 Museum Camp" and green bus stop signs with route descriptions. Thus, this doesn't say much for the riders, but the customer is always right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Three track extras only run on the 11 now I think. I haven't seen a Chicago garage bus on Clark in a while. Maybe the operator who told you of Archer buses on the 22 or 36 was referring to "in cases of emergency" we do this. I know I've seen funny things happen in emergencies. I remember one time recently when the blue line was shut down during an emergency around 1A.M. a Cottage Grove operator was told to deadhead to Jeff PK. (he had a bus in the #6480's) They told him directions how to get to Jeff PK. I guess he didn't know the area. At that time of the night things start to really shut down for the night There weren't many operators available so the Cottage driver was asked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Especially since there is a bus on State that says "146 Museum Camp" and green bus stop signs with route descriptions. Thus, this doesn't say much for the riders, but the customer is always right. This may go a bit off topic, but I will frame it in the context of the transit. Basically, these behaviors are a result of our fast paced, instant gratification attitude that has become prevalent in our society. In the pursuit to get things, be it a job or recreational activities, right now at the instant we want them, a lot of people have grown into a pattern of doing just enough to get by instead of going beyond the minimum effort. So we have bus drivers who only know the bus routes of their assigned garage, and riders who don't make the effort to read the bus stop sign first to get some idea of the route that may be needed to get to their destinations. If you are a CTA driver, you should know where the system's routes go and have some general idea of the times of service. I'm not going to say you should be at 100% knowledge but you should at least know the routes that cross paths with yours and know the routes that serve the areas that your route passes through. As for being a rider, if I'm going to travel to a different city, I'm going to take time out to review a map of that city and compare that general map to that area's transit map. That way when I get to that city, all I have to do is ask one of the residents which direction is north so that I have a general idea of where I'm going and not be completely lost as I see so many tourists are during the summer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Three track extras only run on the 11 now I think. I haven't seen a Chicago garage bus on Clark in a while. I saw six Chicago buses on the 22 today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted January 24, 2008 Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 Okay, I got some information: Apparently, CTA was trying to see whether or not supplementary service for the 22 and 36 could be run from a few garages. For a few days, a couple of 62 runs were interlined with the 36. Also, a few Kedzie runs were done on the 22. The CTA decided that these arrangements didn't work, and so they didn't continue. And, to whomever is saying this stupid comment, I know the difference between garages. I'm not aware of any interlining between the 62 and 36. If it did happen, it was an extreme emergency. There was no recent test of interlining those two routes. Nor do I know of any recent Kedzie service on either Clark or Broadway. Again, if it happened, it was done in the field. Supervisors changing a run's work on the fly does happen on occasion. Some supervisors actually make a regular habit of "stealing" certain buses to use where they see fit. So, theoretically, someone from another garage could have filled a gap on Clark or Broadway, but there is nothing in the schedule on either of those routes except for regular service from North Park, and three-track service on Clark from Chicago Garage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted January 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 24, 2008 I'm not aware of any interlining between the 62 and 36. If it did happen, it was an extreme emergency. There was no recent test of interlining those two routes. Nor do I know of any recent Kedzie service on either Clark or Broadway. Again, if it happened, it was done in the field. Supervisors changing a run's work on the fly does happen on occasion. Some supervisors actually make a regular habit of "stealing" certain buses to use where they see fit. So, theoretically, someone from another garage could have filled a gap on Clark or Broadway, but there is nothing in the schedule on either of those routes except for regular service from North Park, and three-track service on Clark from Chicago Garage. Ok, that makes sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renardo870 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hey guys, I saw a 136 going NB @ Jackson/La Salle around 6pm with a K921 run using NABI 7672. It definitely suprised me since i thought this would be done by the spring pick. So does this mean that Kedzie will be supplementing this route or what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Hey guys, I saw a 136 going NB @ Jackson/La Salle around 6pm with a K921 run using NABI 7672. It definitely suprised me since i thought this would be done by the spring pick. So does this mean that Kedzie will be supplementing this route or what? If it was out there, it was a fill done by street supervision. Sometimes the supervisor will take a 156 and put it somewhere else if there is a gap in service on another route. There are no plans to supplement #136 service or to move that route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted February 14, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Today, I didn't take my usual 33 to work. Instead, I took the 72 and 73 + 22. The 22 in the AM was 7575 and the 22 in the PM was 5467. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nflyer22 Posted February 14, 2008 Report Share Posted February 14, 2008 Today, I didn't take my usual 33 to work. Instead, I took the 72 and 73 + 22. The 22 in the AM was 7575 and the 22 in the PM was 5467. I'm too dumb to figure this out but are those the bus numbers or the run numbers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renardo870 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 If it was out there, it was a fill done by street supervision. Sometimes the supervisor will take a 156 and put it somewhere else if there is a gap in service on another route. There are no plans to supplement #136 service or to move that route. Ok then. I saw another 136 @ the same location about 530p with a 7556 NABI. I guess NP is low on buses or there late coming in from deadheading back to Franklin/Jackson. Speaking of route changes out of NP, I believe 125 and 143 should be strictly out of Kedzie, with some of the 22, 36, 135, 136, 145 & 146 can be supplemented for rush hours and/or some Sat short turn trips going no further than Belmont or Irving Park. If FG receives 96, 200, 201, 205 and 206 flat out, since we know CTA wouldnt give those to PACE, maybe Kedzie would or could supplement 77 short turns to Belmont/Blue Line. Just an idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rmadisonwi Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Speaking of route changes out of NP, I believe 125 and 143 should be strictly out of Kedzie, with some of the 22, 36, 135, 136, 145 & 146 can be supplemented for rush hours and/or some Sat short turn trips going no further than Belmont or Irving Park. If FG receives 96, 200, 201, 205 and 206 flat out, since we know CTA wouldnt give those to PACE, maybe Kedzie would or could supplement 77 short turns to Belmont/Blue Line. Just an idea. Part of the above is correct. I won't say which part. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
renardo870 Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Part of the above is correct. I won't say which part. Thanks rmad. I meant to say 97 instead of 96 since its a very low productivity route. Does this route use the 500 series buses? Will NP and FG ever be rebuilt at the present site or will they build @ a totally new location? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I'm too dumb to figure this out but are those the bus numbers or the run numbers? Bus numbers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Danielsmusic Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Part of the above is correct. I won't say which part. If you're going to tell us something is correct, tell us what it is. It's flat-out immature to withhold information like this. No offense, but it feels like you're doing what my son does: "I know a secret and you don't. Na, na, na, na, na ,na, hah, hah, hah, hah." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CircleSeven Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 I wonder if a System Pick will go in effect because of these upcoming changes affecting North Park and new assigments for other garages on March 23rd? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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