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[ChicagoNova]

Novas 6627 and 6670 are currently on the #10, currently being used by 77th Garage.

[qwantae]

Novas 6627 and 6670 are currently on the #10, currently being used by 77th Garage.

Do you mean 74th garage? I didn't think that 77th has more than few 6600 group of Nova's except that I did known that 77th had borrow some of 6600s from 74th awhile ago but it's kind of weird that Novas on Route 10 are both 6600s (if they're from 77th), not an 6400/lower 6500/higher 6800.

[RJL6000]

Yes, those two Novas in question are from 74th. 74th is now supplementing Kedzie on the weekday runs on the #10. It makes sense that 74th would be running some trips on the #10, especially since that route could interline with the #55 Garfield route. In a similar fashion, expect a few of Kedzie's 40-foot NFs (e.g. 1160s-1180s, selected 1200s, 1345-1374 and 1600s-lower 1700s, even a few 800s and 900s) to pop up on the #55 on weekdays.

As a result, if you see a #10 downtown on weekdays, and the run number box reads 65xx, that's a giveaway that it's an interline with the #55.

[ChicagoNova]

Yes, those two Novas in question are from 74th. 74th is now supplementing Kedzie on the weekday runs on the #10. It makes sense that 74th would be running some trips on the #10, especially since that route could interline with the #55 Garfield route. In a similar fashion, expect a few of Kedzie's 40-foot NFs (e.g. 1160s-1180s, selected 1200s, 1345-1374 and 1600s-lower 1700s, even a few 800s and 900s) to pop up on the #55 on weekdays.

As a result, if you see a #10 downtown on weekdays, and the run number box reads 65xx, that's a giveaway that it's an interline with the #55.

That would b interesting: Kedzie's buses winding up on #55.

[ChicagoNova]

Yes, those two Novas in question are from 74th. 74th is now supplementing Kedzie on the weekday runs on the #10. It makes sense that 74th would be running some trips on the #10, especially since that route could interline with the #55 Garfield route. In a similar fashion, expect a few of Kedzie's 40-foot NFs (e.g. 1160s-1180s, selected 1200s, 1345-1374 and 1600s-lower 1700s, even a few 800s and 900s) to pop up on the #55 on weekdays.

As a result, if you see a #10 downtown on weekdays, and the run number box reads 65xx, that's a giveaway that it's an interline with the #55.

Only on both those Novas, the garage code read "7".

[RJL6000]

Only on both those Novas, the garage code read "7".

Oh, I stand corrected there. These buses are on loan from 74th, in this case. However, the #10 could be interlined with another 77th route that operates into downtown (likely the #3 King Drive route).

I've just rechecked BusTracker, and discovered that at least three garages are currently handling the #10 weekday summer service: Kedzie, 77th and Chicago. Today I spotted New Flyer 1900s (from 77th and Chicago) and 2000s (Chicago) on that route. Chicago's (garage code "5") runs on the #10 are most likely interlined with the #66 Chicago Avenue route. Kedzie handles all of the #10 trips on weekends.

[Sam92]

I was wondering what was going on with the 10. I saw 1971 on the 10 just this afternoon and now I know why.

[Sam92]

Oh, I stand corrected there. These buses are on loan from 74th, in this case. However, the #10 could be interlined with another 77th route that operates into downtown (likely the #3 King Drive route).

I've just rechecked BusTracker, and discovered that at least three garages are currently handling the #10 weekday summer service: Kedzie, 77th and Chicago. Today I spotted New Flyer 1900s (from 77th and Chicago) and 2000s (Chicago) on that route. Chicago's (garage code "5") runs on the #10 are most likely interlined with the #66 Chicago Avenue route. Kedzie handles all of the #10 trips on weekends.

I wonder why the 10 would need so many garages to supplement that route this time? Doesn't seem like the headway really calls for it.

[ChicagoNova]

Did NF #1177 transfer from Kedzie to 77th? I've seen it on the #10 today & some other route yesterday being used by 77th. Garage code "7".

[Sam92]

Looks like 103rd has lost a few more artics. Spotting a lot of 1000 series New flyers on routes like the 6 and 14. Not good.

[ChicagoNova]

Looks like 103rd has lost a few more artics. Spotting a lot of 1000 series New flyers on routes like the 6 and 14. Not good.

Any idea why all that's happening?

[Sam92]

Any idea why all that's happening?

Yes. We're constantly losing artics to North Park and Kedzie. I understand that they have heavy loads but this is a little excessive.

[cta5658]

Yes. We're constantly losing artics to North Park and Kedzie. I understand that they have heavy loads but this is a little excessive.

103 is always on the short end of losing artics

[jajuan]

Yes. We're constantly losing artics to North Park and Kedzie. I understand that they have heavy loads but this is a little excessive.

On that note, Kedzie and North Park shouldn't have needed anymore artics because even before the summer season kicked in at CTA, most of the north side express routes based at these garages along with heavy local routes like 22 and 151 had either switched over to being heavily artic operated or all artic. I'm still trying to understand Kedzie's heavy artic use on the 125 when the passenger loads don't seem to justify so many artics be used there from what I observe other than Kedzie having more artics than it knows what to do with. It only really needed them for the 12 (mostly for the weekends/holidays), 134, 145, 148, 151 and 156 for regular operations and the 19 and 128 for United Center and Soldier Field sporting events and other special events. As it stood North Park especially was artic heavy without short changing 103rd again. However 6 and 14 are still arctic heavy even with more 40 footers being used on them, though it's not under a similar circumstance of 145 and 147 sometimes swapping in a few 40 foot operated runs during the evening hours or the 12 (the 82's all arctic weekend operations ceased months ago) doing the same on weekend evenings as the passenger loads ease.

[Sam92]

On that note, Kedzie and North Park shouldn't have needed anymore artics because even before the summer season kicked in at CTA, most of the north side express routes based at these garages along with heavy local routes like 22 and 151 had either switched over to being heavily artic operated or all artic. I'm still trying to understand Kedzie's heavy artic use on the 125 when the passenger loads don't seem to justify so many artics be used there from what I observe other than Kedzie having more artics than it knows what to do with. It only really needed them for the 12 (mostly for the weekends/holidays), 134, 145, 148, 151 and 156 for regular operations and the 19 and 128 for United Center and Soldier Field sporting events and other special events. As it stood North Park especially was artic heavy without short changing 103rd again. However 6 and 14 are still arctic heavy even with more 40 footers being used on them, though it's not under a similar circumstance of 145 and 147 sometimes swapping in a few 40 foot operated runs during the evening hours or the 12 (the 82's all arctic weekend operations ceased months ago) doing the same on weekend evenings as the passenger loads ease.

Well, now around here (Jeffery) I'm seeing lines of 1000's passing by on the 14 even during rush hour. Same with the 6. Most of the artics from kedize an north park run empty outside of rush hour except maybe the 146/147. 77th and 103rd on the other hand have routes that could use them on weekends such as the 3, 4, 87, 79 to name a few. The 6 and 14 even stay crowded during those times.

[artthouwill]

On that note, Kedzie and North Park shouldn't have needed anymore artics because even before the summer season kicked in at CTA, most of the north side express routes based at these garages along with heavy local routes like 22 and 151 had either switched over to being heavily artic operated or all artic. I'm still trying to understand Kedzie's heavy artic use on the 125 when the passenger loads don't seem to justify so many artics be used there from what I observe other than Kedzie having more artics than it knows what to do with. It only really needed them for the 12 (mostly for the weekends/holidays), 134, 145, 148, 151 and 156 for regular operations and the 19 and 128 for United Center and Soldier Field sporting events and other special events. As it stood North Park especially was artic heavy without short changing 103rd again. However 6 and 14 are still arctic heavy even with more 40 footers being used on them, though it's not under a similar circumstance of 145 and 147 sometimes swapping in a few 40 foot operated runs during the evening hours or the 12 (the 82's all arctic weekend operations ceased months ago) doing the same on weekend evenings as the passenger loads ease.

I believe the 125s eventually interline with something else, perhaps 156 or one of the LaSalle Expresses which would explain the artic being on that route.

[trainman8119]

Well, now around here (Jeffery) I'm seeing lines of 1000's passing by on the 14 even during rush hour. Same with the 6. Most of the artics from kedize an north park run empty outside of rush hour except maybe the 146/147. 77th and 103rd on the other hand have routes that could use them on weekends such as the 3, 4, 87, 79 to name a few. The 6 and 14 even stay crowded during those times.

Most of the 14s and 6s I see are artics...even an occasional 15 thrown in for good measure. I see enough of them from the train going through Hyde Park or along 71st street...I get a good sample. After the afternoon rush, I'll see some 40 footers on the 14 coming into the loop on my way home. Now, if you were to speak of the 26, that has become almost exclusive 40 footer since the NABIs went away. I will agree with you that, especially the 6, is always crowded no matter what time. 14s tend to slack a little after the afternoon rush during the week.

[jajuan]

Most of the 14s and 6s I see are artics...even an occasional 15 thrown in for good measure. I see enough of them from the train going through Hyde Park or along 71st street...I get a good sample. After the afternoon rush, I'll see some 40 footers on the 14 coming into the loop on my way home. Now, if you were to speak of the 26, that has become almost exclusive 40 footer since the NABIs went away. I will agree with you that, especially the 6, is always crowded no matter what time. 14s tend to slack a little after the afternoon rush during the week.

Yes same here. Most of the 6 and 14 buses I see are artics. If I do see a 1000 on the 6 it's during the evening a lot of the times after the PM rush hour. When it comes to the 14, yes there will be times where more than one 1000 might be rolling by back to back but it tends to be during the off peak hours when passenger loads will have tended to slacked off a bit. During the rush periods, I don't see 1000s back to back on the 14. It would be spot a 1000, then artics and another 1000 20-30 mins or more after the previous sighting.

[Sam92]

Yes same here. Most of the 6 and 14 buses I see are artics. If I do see a 1000 on the 6 it's during the evening a lot of the times after the PM rush hour. When it comes to the 14, yes there will be times where more than one 1000 might be rolling by back to back but it tends to be during the off peak hours when passenger loads will have tended to slacked off a bit. During the rush periods, I don't see 1000s back to back on the 14. It would be spot a 1000, then artics and another 1000 20-30 mins or more after the previous sighting.

Well I've been seeing them back to back DURING rush periods lately

[qwantae]

That would b interesting: Kedzie's buses winding up on #55.

If being interline between routes #55/ #10, Kedzie's 4000s Artics may not be needed on Route 10 but Route 55 could use some help with overcrowding during Rush periods especially in PM Rush between Western Ave and Hyde Park Area, while X55 and 174 has eliminated for now.

[qwantae]

Yes. We're constantly losing artics to North Park and Kedzie. I understand that they have heavy loads but this is a little excessive.

I don't want to say because I don't want to put anyone in danger but they might as well put at least 20 of them 7500s NABIs that are sitting outside of 103rd back in service for 6 and 14. Those two routes serving by mostly 40 footer or even by 50/50 of 40/60 footers are unacceptable, it should be at least 80% to 100% of Artics during the whole 7 days.

[Busjack]

I don't want to say because I don't want to put anyone in danger but they might as well put at least 20 of them 7500s NABIs that are sitting outside of 103rd back in service for 6 and 14. Those two routes serving by mostly 40 footer or even by 50/50 of 40/60 footers are unacceptable, it should be at least 80% to 100% of Artics during the whole 7 days.

CTA decided they were putting people in danger, so that should be it. At least that is one place where the past administration was somewhat decisive (and also in slow zoning most of the south Red Line).

This talk should be put off...

...until there is an engineer's report that they are safe and NABI settles the lawsuit it brought against the CTA.

...someone actually has comparative passenger load numbers, instead of always saying that the south side is getting the shaft (with Richard Roundtree).

I don't see either here

Now, maybe if CTA wants to buy some Ottawa castoffs...

[jajuan]

Well I've been seeing them back to back DURING rush periods lately

Not doubting you, it's just still rare given the 14 is still mostly artic operated despite the losses to Kedzie and North Park. As a matter of fact, did a check of Bustracker and as of this moment (10:45am) there are three 1000s on the 6 and none on the 14. Neither route is getting shafted on the artic front.

[jajuan]

If being interline between routes #55/ #10, Kedzie's 4000s Artics may not be needed on Route 10 but Route 55 could use some help with overcrowding during Rush periods especially in PM Rush between Western Ave and Hyde Park Area, while X55 and 174 has eliminated for now.

Except it's been verified that it's 77th and not 74th that's supplementing weekday service on the 10 with Kedzie. So that translates to no 10/55 interline.

[RJL6000]

Except it's been verified that it's 77th and not 74th that's supplementing weekday service on the 10 with Kedzie. So that translates to no 10/55 interline.

Right now, there are no Kedzie buses at all on the #10. All three buses on that route that currently appear on BusTracker are all 77th buses. Even there, there is a possible #3-#10 interline, with the interline occurring in Streeterville.