CTA Bus Garage Rosters

[ajm522]

1948 belongs to 77th was on #1 this AM.

[Guest]

On 2/16/2016 at 1:16 PM, BusHunter said:

I was thinking that if FG receives 125 buses it could retire everything below the option buses (#6709) and if they did the #7900 option for 25 more then Fg could probably go with what they had originally (#6756 - #6883)

I wont put my finger on it!!!  Rahm is giving the south and west residents everything they want in order to repair his tarnished image wih african american voters. Also with the presidential elections coming up.  The riders on the NW side will continue to get screwed!!! 

 

[BusHunter]

21 minutes ago, CTA5750 said:

I wont put my finger on it!!!  Rahm is giving the south and west residents everything they want in order to repair his tarnished image wih african american voters. Also with the presidential elections coming up.  The riders on the NW side will continue to get screwed!!! 

 

We shall see but this is it for fg, it's their last chance for new equipment. I think they'll get the #8200's, because for some reason CTA wants that garage to be all nova. I wouldn't doubt when the (most likely) Xcelsiors come from the execution of the #1000 bus replacement, FG gets the #7900's from 77th to make them all newer novas again.

As far as Rahm, he's screwed this time. There's nothing he can do to fix his problem, unless he sprays a mass amnesic spray over Chicago.

[sw4400]

4 hours ago, BusHunter said:

We shall see but this is it for fg, it's their last chance for new equipment. I think they'll get the #8200's, because for some reason CTA wants that garage to be all nova. I wouldn't doubt when the (most likely) Xcelsiors come from the execution of the #1000 bus replacement, FG gets the #7900's from 77th to make them all newer novas again.

As far as Rahm, he's screwed this time. There's nothing he can do to fix his problem, unless he sprays a mass amnesic spray over Chicago.

We can't say for sure what will replace the New Flyer D40LF's when their retirement begins probably about 2019-2020-ish. New Flyer is out there, but Nova is now in the U.S Market, many talk about Orion, though CTA hasn't procured Orions ever that I can think of, nor Eldorado. And by that time, New Flyer may have a different model of 40' bus that catches the CTA's eye for a possible bus procurement other than the Xcelsior.

NABI, to quote Vince McMahon.... well, I'll let the image speak for itself...

[Busjack]

12 minutes ago, sw4400 said:

many talk about Orion, though CTA hasn't procured Orions ever that I can think of

Daimler pulled the plug on Orion about 3 years ago (reference).

But you are correct that CTA has not awarded, yet alone posted an Invitation for Bids for "The Purchase, Manufacture and Delivery of up to One Thousand Low Floor Forty Foot Diesel or Electric Transit Buses."

[jajuan]

On 2/18/2016 at 10:08 AM, CTA5750 said:

I wont put my finger on it!!!  Rahm is giving the south and west residents everything they want in order to repair his tarnished image wih african american voters. Also with the presidential elections coming up.  The riders on the NW side will continue to get screwed!!! 

 

And just what do mayoral and presidential politics have to do with CTA bus assignments?? 

You are really reaching even further than usual with the FG conspiracy theories.

[BusHunter]

On 2/18/2016 at 2:40 PM, sw4400 said:

We can't say for sure what will replace the New Flyer D40LF's when their retirement begins probably about 2019-2020-ish. New Flyer is out there, but Nova is now in the U.S Market, many talk about Orion, though CTA hasn't procured Orions ever that I can think of, nor Eldorado. And by that time, New Flyer may have a different model of 40' bus that catches the CTA's eye for a possible bus procurement other than the Xcelsior.

NABI, to quote Vince McMahon.... well, I'll let the image speak for itself...

I think it's somewhat unprobable that Novabus can execute a 1000 bus order. They just don't have the resources for it. It has taken them how long to deliver 300 buses? And how long for 425? The only way they might be able to do it would either be to expand operations by 50 percent or suspend all other contracts. I think the only way they could get their foot in the door is if CTA billed it's bus expansion contract in two separate bids. (kind of like TMC and Flxible in 1990, which gets me thinking was that two separate bids or contract winners #1 and #2) They might be able to do 450 buses in 3 years, but make that a 1000 bus contract and it becomes 6 almost 7 years. NF has demonstrated they can deliver over a 1000 buses in 3 years. I think this gives them an advantage.

The way CTA has set up it's fleet, the artics will need replacing 3 years after the #1000's, so if they are not careful both contracts might overlap which I think gives NF another advantage. They can deliver in 3 years. But again we shall see. But then again why stock parts for 2 xcelsiors when you can have 1000 Xcelsior buses that need parts.

[sw4400]

3 hours ago, BusHunter said:

I think it's somewhat unprobable that Novabus can execute a 1000 bus order. They just don't have the resources for it. It has taken them how long to deliver 300 buses? And how long for 425? The only way they might be able to do it would either be to expand operations by 50 percent or suspend all other contracts. I think the only way they could get their foot in the door is if CTA billed it's bus expansion contract in two separate bids. (kind of like TMC and Flxible in 1990, which gets me thinking was that two separate bids or contract winners #1 and #2) They might be able to do 450 buses in 3 years, but make that a 1000 bus contract and it becomes 6 almost 7 years. NF has demonstrated they can deliver over a 1000 buses in 3 years. I think this gives them an advantage.

The way CTA has set up it's fleet, the artics will need replacing 3 years after the #1000's, so if they are not careful both contracts might overlap which I think gives NF another advantage. They can deliver in 3 years. But again we shall see. But then again why stock parts for 2 xcelsiors when you can have 1000 Xcelsior buses that need parts.

Well, Nova Bus is just following CTA's contract guidelines.... let's say they agree on a contract with Nova for 400 million for 700 Novas and set a contract like this....

• 200 Buses to be delivered in 2017(Base Order)
• 50 Buses to be delivered in 2018(Option 1)
• 200 Buses to be delivered in 2019(Option 2)
• 250 Buses to be delivered in 2020(Option 3)

It all depends on the wording of the contract what will be delivered and when. Nova doesn't want to be late with getting the buses to CTA, but they can't be early, as they need to procure money for the buses through the Federal Government or State Government(yeah, right!!! Rauner won't even approve funding for colleges.... Mr. Veto!!!) before they get paid for the vehicles. I don't think any manufacturer will give buses to a TA with a promise to pay.

 

[Busjack]

5 hours ago, sw4400 said:

It all depends on the wording of the contract

It also depends on FTA guidelines. New Flyer posted:

The U.S. federal government period carryover is decreased to three years from the current five year limit. Management believes this carryover reduction may result in the continued increase in the number of procurements issued by agencies, but with a lower number of total options included under each procurement.

Hence, maybe all that might be allowed is a 3 year contract, which I suppose would be for up to 600 buses.

[BusGuy248]

8194 from Chicago was towed to the shops the other day due to a fire in the engine compartment. Bus only had 900 miles on it. CTA has sent out as few new Nova's as possible while the cause (and solution to) the fire is investigated.

[BusHunter]

3 hours ago, BusGuy248 said:

8194 from Chicago was towed to the shops the other day due to a fire in the engine compartment. Bus only had 900 miles on it. CTA has sent out as few new Nova's as possible while the cause (and solution to) the fire is investigated.

So i noticed. Today 77th had 1 bus out and chicago had about 9 and 74th 7. I was thinking, I guess the operators prefer NF's. (It seemed like the normal pattern to me) So it was alot of damage? If CTA personnel got to it maybe not, but if you guys waited for CFD it probably has alot of damage. Hopefully the warranty or insurance will cover this. It might if they can prove it was not CTA's fault. We can check math22's tracker but the bus was probably lucky if it went out 3 days. I think it was out the day before I took a picture of it. Then the day I took a picture of it, it was out all that day up to around 6PM. Then it might have went out on the fire day. I know it was dirty, mostly dusty like it had been sitting. Unfortunately most of the 900 miles is from NY to here. I wonder how many miles is it to Plattsburg,NY. ? (yikes 853 miles) so it only did 50 miles here. Then that day on Armitage/Laramie must have been the most service it had. 8 hours almost sounds like that was the only service it had!!

Checking it out and refreshing my memory it was the bus out on the 12th that died at the east end on the #74, then I saw it on the 14th, I believe it did a #12 tripper on the 15th,  it was out a long stretch on the #72 from the morning until like 7-8 at night on the 16th and on the 18th it was on the #121 still tracking at 10 AM which seems kind of late. Either it burned there or at the garage. Seems like more than 50 miles!! But you didn't say 900 what, so it could have always had 997 miles on it.

#8177 was out that day until 10:40AM on the #121, so it appears normal. Looks like it either happened to/from the garage or at the garage.

[sw4400]

3 hours ago, BusGuy248 said:

8194 from Chicago was towed to the shops the other day due to a fire in the engine compartment. Bus only had 900 miles on it. CTA has sent out as few new Nova's as possible while the cause (and solution to) the fire is investigated.

 

1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

So i noticed. Today 77th had 1 bus out and chicago had about 9 and 74th 7. I was thinking, I guess the operators prefer NF's. (It seemed like the normal pattern to me) So it was alot of damage? If CTA personnel got to it maybe not, but if you guys waited for CFD it probably has alot of damage. Hopefully the warranty or insurance will cover this. It might if they can prove it was not CTA's fault. We can check math22's tracker but the bus was probably lucky if it went out 3 days. I think it was out the day before I took a picture of it. Then the day I took a picture of it, it was out all that day up to around 6PM. Then it might have went out on the fire day. I know it was dirty, mostly dusty like it had been sitting. Unfortunately most of the 900 miles is from NY to here. I wonder how many miles is it to Plattsburg,NY. ? (yikes 853 miles) so it only did 50 miles here. Then that day on Armitage/Laramie must have been the most service it had. 8 hours almost sounds like that was the only service it had!!

Checking it out and refreshing my memory it was the bus out on the 12th that died at the east end on the #74, then I saw it on the 14th, I believe it did a #12 tripper on the 15th,  it was out a long stretch on the #72 from the morning until like 7-8 at night on the 16th and on the 18th it was on the #121 still tracking at 10 AM which seems kind of late. Either it burned there or at the garage. Seems like more than 50 miles!! But you didn't say 900 what, so it could have always had 997 miles on it.

#8177 was out that day until 10:40AM on the #121, so it appears normal. Looks like it either happened to/from the garage or at the garage.

I put #8090 as out of service, and will be adding #8194 to that list soon. BusHunter, you haven't added #8090 as out of service and still active at 74th. If it's a $100,000 repair bill right now, I'm sure it's sitting and awaiting a bid for repair or parts from Nova to come up to repair it(unless there's some frame damage) If there is, then #8090 might be a very early retirement for the 7900-Series Novas. As far as #8194, without photos there is no way to tell the amount of damage the fire did to it. If it ended up looking like #4333 before CFD or CTA Emergency Personnel arrived on scene to extinguish the fire, it might be a candidate for early retirement.... but only pictures will be able to shed some light on it.

[BusGuy248]

It's not nearly as bad as #4333. It will be out of service for awhile but it looks repairable 

[BusHunter]

40 minutes ago, BusGuy248 said:

It's not nearly as bad as #4333. It will be out of service for awhile but it looks repairable 

Sounds more simple then like a contained engine fire. I have a youtube of a nabi #7500 that had an contained engine fire. I believe that bus came back. We never did know why #8090 was OOS, I hope it wasn't fire or houston we might have a problem!!

#6813 had an engine fire too though and it was canned. But every effort will probably be made to return this to service just based on the newness. It would have to be something like #4333 or #4323 like.

[BusGuy248]

The engine harness caught fire. Not an actual engine fire

[BusHunter]

16 minutes ago, BusGuy248 said:

The engine harness caught fire. Not an actual engine fire

Sounds bad enough though. Sounds like the engine wiring might be screwed up on the bus. I looked for recalls but didn't see any. Novabus has had alot of recalls on various stuff. The consensus on the net is that it's still a couple thousand dollars repair similar to a trans failing. Why it happened could be lots of things. If the wiring is not big enough to take a significant load it will overheat and catch fire. But wiring harness' have caught fire on cars during a repair in which the harness wasn't ground properly or shorted out. Best to disconnect the battery to prevent this. If it's one wire burnt then they are lucky but the whole harness will probably need a specialist. Harness' will melt too over time and catch fire. I don't know what to say about something new though. I can't be from corrosion that's for sure. Hard to say if it was mechanic error or not. Depends on where it happened.

[BusGuy248]

Couldn't have been a CTA mechanic bus is too new. So far the prevailing theory is improper installation (harness wasnt fastened correctly) from factory.

[BusHunter]

11 minutes ago, BusGuy248 said:

Couldn't have been a CTA mechanic bus is too new. So far the prevailing theory is improper installation (harness wasnt fastened correctly) from factory.

It did fail on the 12th, I don't know why though. You would think it would screw up on it's 853 mile journey. Hopefully Novabus has some better quality assurance than that. I didn't smell no wires burning when i was on it or flickering of lights or anything.

BTW, I checked to see what pictures I had of #8090 and it still lives on, even though it is OOS

[sw4400]

22 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

It did fail on the 12th, I don't know why though. You would think it would screw up on it's 853 mile journey. Hopefully Novabus has some better quality assurance than that. I didn't smell no wires burning when i was on it or flickering of lights or anything.

BTW, I checked to see what pictures I had of #8090 and it still lives on, even though it is OOS

Where's the $100,000 damage on #8090? I know these are pre-incident photos, but I was just wondering.... was it front-end damage or rear-end with engine compartment involved?

[BusHunter]

Ok roster updated. I took off the Andre roster buses as well as #6473, #6488 and #6769. Still though with 268 at fg, they can still retire a few buses 257 is normal for them. I got 119 #6400 Novas left. With what's coming another 17 new buses, I don't know I see them with 90 #6400's still. Probably what's missing is those 24 #8325's that I'm really starting to wonder what's up with those.

 

[jajuan]

On 9/2/2016 at 11:01 AM, BusHunter said:

Ok roster updated. I took off the Andre roster buses as well as #6473, #6488 and #6769. Still though with 268 at fg, they can still retire a few buses 257 is normal for them. I got 119 #6400 Novas left. With what's coming another 17 new buses, I don't know I see them with 90 #6400's still. Probably what's missing is those 24 #8325's that I'm really starting to wonder what's up with those.

 

I noticed you made a miscount on the latest update to FG's assigned 7900s. With what they currently have on hand, their count should be 124 buses instead of 129. You overcounted by five.

[andrethebusman]

As of 9/19, it is indeed 129 (8200-8304,8306-8324).

[Busjack]

2 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

As of 9/19, it is indeed 129 (8200-8304,8306-8324).

By what math? At most it could be 125, because that is what CTA ordered. 8324-8199-1=124.

8200s math.xlsx

Have to subtract 8199 because 8200 is part of the set. The set did not start with 8201, like L cars would have.

[andrethebusman]

no, the group does start at 8200. 8199 is the last of the previous.8199 is VIN G775013, 8200 is G775225.

[Busjack]

4 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

no, the group does start at 8200. 8199 is the last of the previous.8199 is VIN G775013, 8200 is G775225.

And again you misread the post. I didn't say the group started with 8199.

If 8324-8200-1 were used, you would get only 123.

But you haven't admitted that you were wrong with 129. Why don't you put your math up?