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[Sam92]

6 hours ago, OneofthewillsNW said:

today at work, I met an angry bus. 

Must've had an 13-18 hour block ?

[Busjack]

7 hours ago, OneofthewillsNW said:

today at work, I met an angry bus. 

 

26 minutes ago, Sam92 said:

Must've had an 13-18 hour block ?

I've seen a couple like that.

[NewFlyerMCI]

Ridership charts for March 2024 for Pace routes by garage/division

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

307 and 318 appear to be West's busiest routes, might be coming from the Green Line at Harlem/Lake

[Busjack]

2 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

Ridership charts for March 2024 for Pace routes by garage/division

Interesting for River is that the only route that has any ridership is 606, which isn't anywhere near Elgin; of course, half the trips are out of NW. There doesn't seem enough to justify much of any Elgin local service.

2 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

307 and 318 appear to be West's busiest routes, might be coming from the Green Line at Harlem/Lake

They also connect with the Blue Line,  although CTA statistics indicate more boardings at Harlem/Green Line than at Forest Park and Harlem/Blue Line. 307 would have done even better if CTA 90 had not resulted  in cut backs on 307. Harlem and North Ave. are heavy corridors, nonetheless.

West is also skewed in that 303/310/317 and 309/313 share the same corridor east of 19th-Madison and Melrose Park, respectively.

[NewFlyerMCI]

23 hours ago, Busjack said:

nteresting for River is that the only route that has any ridership is 606, which isn't anywhere near Elgin; of course, half the trips are out of NW. There doesn't seem enough to justify much of any Elgin local service.

I'm also guessing that all Sunday service is handled by NW. I'd be interested in seeing a deadhead map for the 606, I also wonder if it's interlined with the 607, which starts much closer to River.

Speaking of the 607, I can't recall a greater mismatch between riders served and # trips running. 33 trips/day on weekdays with an average of 32 passengers a day, I'm surprised this route hasn't been converted to peak only or eliminated yet.

[NewFlyerMCI]

23 hours ago, Busjack said:

West is also skewed in that 303/310/317 and 309/313 share the same corridor east of 19th-Madison and Melrose Park, respectively.

Updated with respective routes combined

[Busjack]

55 minutes ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

I'm also guessing that all Sunday service is handled by NW. I'd be interested in seeing a deadhead map for the 606, I also wonder if it's interlined with the 607, which starts much closer to River.

Speaking of the 607, I can't recall a greater mismatch between riders served and # trips running. 33 trips/day on weekdays with an average of 32 passengers a day, I'm surprised this route hasn't been converted to peak only or eliminated yet.

1. At least what was the practice was that a 607 became a 600. Also,, 607 is an East Dundee route while 606 is an Elgin route (and seems to now use 30 ft buses on River runs).
2. The I-90 express buses had a 3-year grant to develop ridership. I suppose Pace is using Covid money so as not to kill the project. But compare to 877/888/895, which were suspended (also 610 and 616 in the I-90 corridor).

[renardo870]

On 6/3/2024 at 5:15 PM, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

307 and 318 appear to be West's busiest routes, might be coming from the Green Line at Harlem/Lake

322 Cermak/22nd St is the West's 3rd busiest route even though it shares the route with the CTA 21 Cermak from 54th Pink Line Terminal to North Riverside Mall. 

Edited June 5, 2024 by renardo870
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[TaylorTank1229]

I checked this out yesterday in Skokie while getting some food from Portillo’s…

 

Pace #208 is still somehow on the newly texted bus stop signs along Skokie Boulevard. I assume it was meant to be #215 since #208 stopped running down  Skokie for years. So kinda wondering how someone forgot about that, nor why the error hasn’t yet been corrected. 🤨

[artthouwill]

2 hours ago, TaylorTank1229 said:

I checked this out yesterday in Skokie while getting some food from Portillo’s…

 

Pace #208 is still somehow on the newly texted bus stop signs along Skokie Boulevard. I assume it was meant to be #215 since #208 stopped running down  Skokie for years. So kinda wondering how someone forgot about that, nor why the error hasn’t yet been corrected. 🤨

There are still signs with 757 in the Woodfield area and along Golf Rd.

The 895 sign is still up at Rosemont as is the 610.

 

And of course the 877 and 888 signs are still up in Oak Brook  and Lombard.

[Busjack]

30 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

There are still signs with 757 in the Woodfield area and along Golf Rd.

The 895 sign is still up at Rosemont as is the 610.

 

And of course the 877 and 888 signs are still up in Oak Brook  and Lombard.

What's different in @TaylorTank1229's example is that it is a comparatively new CTA sign (as indicated by the boxes around the route numbers), thus showing that cooperation is not what it should be, while you are complaining about Pace not removing signs for suspended routes.

But I noted a mess-up totally of Pace's doing on active routes. There's a sign for 208/213 "H" Trips on Dodge north of Simpson (2100 N), but the 208 bus runs on Emerson (1900 N) to the turn at Dodge. Apparently someone posted a sign intended for ETHS on the wrong corner (only bus that goes by there is 213H). That is a valid stop on the 213 Posted Stops Only list, although I don't think at least one stop with the described sign on Church is. On the other hand, the sign in question is not on the 208 Posted Stops Only list.

[EdwardL803]

Does anyone know where I can find a list that shows discontinued Pace bus routes by the year they went out of service?

[FarNWSider773]

Are more "Pace System Route Index Books" from the past available online?

• http://irm-cta.org/RouteDescriptions/IndexBooks/Pace/PaceRtDescr_1988-03.pdf
• http://irm-cta.org/RouteDescriptions/IndexBooks/Pace/PaceRtDescr_1989-02.pdf

[urbanguy0508]

Here's a web map that shows the routes that were part of Pace's bus network during various years from 2000 to 2022.

https://www.google.com/maps/d/viewer?mid=1_qGwUmvJM5QuWn428zKWW5OQcTQo-mg

[Confirmed Illinois Citizen]

I’ve been wondering for a while now, what’s the shortest Pace bus route (in terms of distance, not time)?

[Busjack]

14 hours ago, Confirmed Illinois Citizen said:

I’ve been wondering for a while now, what’s the shortest Pace bus route (in terms of distance, not time)?

Keep  wondering.

There were a bunch of short feeders (Shuttle Bug 6 was about a 1/2 mile loop) but they are long gone, and not to return.

There's also the issue that most routes are interlined. For instance, 209 is short, but interlined with 234. Similarly, 366 is interlined with 367.

I don't know if you count local circulators (Niles, Schaumburg, Rosemont).

Routes in Cook County are generally excessively long. I would look in a collar county city (500 series).

[TaylorTank1229]

23 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Keep  wondering.

There were a bunch of short feeders (Shuttle Bug 6 was about a 1/2 mile loop) but they are long gone, and not to return.

There's also the issue that most routes are interlined. For instance, 209 is short, but interlined with 234. Similarly, 366 is interlined with 367.

Routes in Cook County are generally excessively long. I would look in a collar county city (500 series).

I was gonna say in terms of distance, the majority of shuttle bus feeders were probably some of the shortest running routes. But given they been discontinued, I suppose the question I would probably ask is what is considered the shortest distance route from each Pace garage? 🤔

[Busjack]

3 minutes ago, TaylorTank1229 said:

I would probably ask is what is considered the shortest distance route from each Pace garage? 🤔

As I was typing while you were posting, it mght not be from a Pace garage, but a municipal one.

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, Busjack said:

Keep  wondering.

There were a bunch of short feeders (Shuttle Bug 6 was about a 1/2 mile loop) but they are long gone, and not to return.

There's also the issue that most routes are interlined. For instance, 209 is short, but interlined with 234. Similarly, 366 is interlined with 367.

I don't know if you count local circulators (Niles, Schaumburg, Rosemont).

Routes in Cook County are generally excessively long. I would look in a collar county city (500 series).

To that point,  is he looking for fixed routes?  There's a route ( more like a dial a ride) during  nourish periods between Wheaton Metra and the DuPage Judicial Center.  The 301 covers that during rush periods.

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

There's a route ( more like a dial a ride) during  nourish periods between Wheaton Metra and the DuPage Judicial Center.  The 301 covers that during rush periods.

Correct, per the DuPage Courts website. The essential issue is that the On Demands cover an area, not a line.

[strictures]

9 minutes ago, Busjack said:

Correct, per the DuPage Courts website. The essential issue is that the On Demands cover an area, not a line.

No bus would be needed if Metra would build a stop at County Farm Road on the UP West Line which is just a block or so from the DuPage Courthouse on County Farm road.

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, strictures said:

No bus would be needed if Metra would build a stop at County Farm Road on the UP West Line which is just a block or so from the DuPage Courthouse on County Farm road.

Apparently the demand doesn't justify that.  Therefore Pace covers service yhe way it does.  Consider that ridership doesn't fill up a cutaway vehicle.   

But back to the topic,  the 475 is a route. Albeit a special event route for Ravinia.   The question is whether this service is suspended due to lack of staffing?  I would suppose suspended routes would still count or be included in the proposed topic question.   

That would include the 327  which is a fixed route.

[Busjack]

54 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

Apparently the demand doesn't justify that.  Therefore Pace covers service yhe way it does.  Consider that ridership doesn't fill up a cutaway vehicle.   

 

54 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

Apparently the demand doesn't justify that.  Therefore Pace covers service yhe way it does.  Consider that ridership doesn't fill up a cutaway vehicle.   

That's also indicated by that there was once Route 712, covered by a Transmark, that was cut.

[renardo870]

Good evening. Lately, I have been in the Streeterville/Northwestern Memorial Hospital area on the weekends and I have noticed some 850/851/855 express buses (in training I'm assuming) going NB on Fairbanks towards Chicago Avenue. I was wondering if service will be expanded on the next pick March 2025 to include some weekend service coming in the near future?