YoungBusLover Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Just wondering here but are the novas getting updated or getting washed at 77th. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Just wondering here but are the novas getting updated or getting washed at 77th. The buses get washed everyday! Except when the weather is below freezing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cta_44499_FG Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 sometime next week, all Nova buses will be pulled from North Park Garage and replaced with New Flyer buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 sometime next week, all Nova buses will be pulled from North Park Garage and replaced with New Flyer buses. Experiments on Western (primarily signal preemption) finished? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cta_44499_FG Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Experiments on Western (primarily signal preemption) finished? That never existed or worked beyond 02/07/2010 due to the fact that the preemption was designed to recognize an X49. Seeing that there are as many as five 49s running in a pack at rush hour due to the obvious crush passenger load and traffic, the latter obviously does not work. Also, apparently North Park operators are above elite and feel no obligation to drive Novas. thus complaining of their existence. true commentary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 ... Also, apparently North Park operators are above elite and feel no obligation to drive Novas. thus complaining of their existence. true commentary. Scooter Libby (a commenter on the CTA Tattler) had complained about the cost of an apparent bus shift in that he saw a Nova on Devon. Probably wasn't a shift, though. But, given that you were at both garages, is there some sort of caste system in that FG is mostly Nova? :blink: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 sometime next week, all Nova buses will be pulled from North Park Garage and replaced with New Flyer buses. Oh yeah? Well if that's the case where are those NP Novas heading to next?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 sometime next week, all Nova buses will be pulled from North Park Garage and replaced with New Flyer buses. It's possible that the NOVA Buses could be transferred to another garage. There is only 10-20 at North Park, but what New Flyers could be replacing them.... an equal number of New Flyer D40LF's? Or, dare it be a possiblility, some of those 4300's hanging out at 77th doing nothing but sitting currently? Now if you said: "sometime next week, all NOVA Buses will be pulled from Forest Glen Garage and replaced with New Flyer buses." I'd say this couldn't be possible as Forest Glen has close to/over 100 NOVA Buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 It's possible that the NOVA Buses could be transferred to another garage. There is only 10-20 at North Park, but what New Flyers could be replacing them.... an equal number of New Flyer D40LF's? Or, dare it be a possiblility, some of those 4300's hanging out at 77th doing nothing but sitting currently? Or just the usual swap between NP and FG via Foster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Or just the usual swap between NP and FG via Foster. Not going to argue this point as this might very well be what will happen, although the number blocks wouldn't match up... NP: 1300's, 1400's, 1700's, 1800's, 1900's FG: 1000's, 1100's, 1200's I guess we'll have to wait until next week to see if there is a change in equipment starting on the #11 Lincoln/Sedgwick.... oh yeah, there won't be a #11 up here next week!!!!! :angry: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Not going to argue this point as this might very well be what will happen, although the number blocks wouldn't match up... ... I thought CTA gave that up with the even/odd splits, if nothing else, or the various other transfers from Archer to Chicago to Kedzie; or from wherever to 74th, etc Not to mention that there probably will be other scrambling as the overhauls on the 1029 buses get going. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Experiments on Western (primarily signal preemption) finished? Well Novas haven't operated on Western much since maybe a week or two before Thanksgiving at least. 74th and NP hasn't used them much on Western. They've been getting spread out more among other routes at those garages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Or just the usual swap between NP and FG via Foster. The swap isn't necessarily between North Park and FG. The other possibilities could be any of the other Nova garages: 77th, 74th, or Chicago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The swap isn't necessarily between North Park and FG. The other possibilities could be any of the other Nova garages: 77th, 74th, or Chicago. So there is no possibility of them coming to 103rd garage? I could see them being used on all the 170 routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 So there is no possibility of them coming to 103rd garage? I could see them being used on all the 170 routes. Theoretically it could anywhere, but they're probably going to go for one of the other garages that already has Novas. We're only talking about 20 Novas after all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The swap isn't necessarily between North Park and FG. The other possibilities could be any of the other Nova garages: 77th, 74th, or Chicago. I would think they would head to 77th, (or something else will) there going to need extra buses now if they intend to do the #8. Also 74th is going to need buses if there going to do the #62 and the few other routes there being assigned. But most likely someone will be getting buses from Kedzie. They have lost both the #8, #62 and some of the cut service. As far as the #4300's, hopefully they can get them in service by Dec 16th or they will have a decrowding plan with the best buses to do that sitting in a bus garage collecting dust. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 So there is no possibility of them coming to 103rd garage? I could see them being used on all the 170 routes. Theoretically it could anywhere, but they're probably going to go for one of the other garages that already has Novas. We're only talking about 20 Novas after all. Not to mention the trend by both CTA and Pace to reduce the number of makes in each garage, supposedly for maintenance efficiency purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 I would think they would head to 77th, (or something else will) there going to need extra buses now if they intend to do the #8. Also 74th is going to need buses if there going to do the #62 and the few other routes there being assigned. But most likely someone will be getting buses from Kedzie. They have lost both the #8, #62 and some of the cut service. As far as the #4300's, hopefully they can get them in service by Dec 16th or they will have a decrowding plan with the best buses to do that sitting in a bus garage collecting dust. Kedzie isn't necessarily falling in the most likely category of losing buses. Yeah they lose the 8 and 62, but they still have 12, 18, getting some morning runs on the 66 reportedly, and still have 82, 134, 143, and 156 which are all on the list of 48 to get extra service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungBusLover Posted December 5, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 The buses get washed everyday! Except when the weather is below freezing. no i meant like are they because there was a pack of them sitting sideways in one of the garages so i figured they may be getting updated or washed. but who knows lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 Kedzie isn't necessarily falling in the most likely category of losing buses. Yeah they lose the 8 and 62, but they still have 12, 18, getting some morning runs on the 66 reportedly, and still have 82, 134, 143, and 156 which are all on the list of 48 to get extra service. They are a part of the 48 bus routes to get more service, and that will help, but losing the #145, #17 and some of the #120's together with two big routes (#8, #62) may account for up to 40-50 buses less. When you figure in the expansion of service Chicago should be gaining buses too. Alot of what they run is in the service expansion zone. Forest Glen might even get buses, losing the #69, #64, #90N and #56A may sound like alot but really that's only about 8 buses. If they put an extra bus on each line of the 48, they would at least need a dozen buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted December 5, 2012 Report Share Posted December 5, 2012 They are a part of the 48 bus routes to get more service, and that will help, but losing the #145, #17 and some of the #120's together with two big routes (#8, #62) may account for up to 40-50 buses less. When you figure in the expansion of service Chicago should be gaining buses too. Alot of what they run is in the service expansion zone. Forest Glen might even get buses, losing the #69, #64, #90N and #56A may sound like alot but really that's only about 8 buses. If they put an extra bus on each line of the 48, they would at least need a dozen buses. It's still not enough to put them in the automatic lose buses category because they don't invest as many buses as it sounds into the 120's given they share those with at least two other garages, and they're reportedly picking up the 35 and 39 along with taking on full coverage of the 82 regular service with NP only doing school trippers. If anything Kedzie would probably see it's artic count affected with the elimination of 145 and given there is no guarantee they keep runs on 148. We don't know if 148 remains artic heavy in the PM rush for that matter with being pulled from Wilson and taking on part of the 144 route up to Foster/Marine instead. 144 isn't even an artic heavy route even though it does put in more work than CTA management gave it credit. The two block difference between operating on Marine and consolidating operations on Clarendon in what is essentially a merging of 144 into 148 from the mapping routes perspective doesn't speak to artic level loads in my mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted December 9, 2012 Report Share Posted December 9, 2012 I just realized that the oldest of the 6400 Series Nova Bus LFS buses have reached their 12-year mark on the 5th of this month. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Oh yeah? Well if that's the case where are those NP Novas heading to next?? I don't know, but my guess is that ten (6471 -80) go to 77th, and the rest go to FG. 77th gives up its lowest 19xx to NP. FG then sends its 65xx Novas to C, which sends its 192x buses to NP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RJL6000 Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 I don't know, but my guess is that ten (6471 -80) go to 77th, and the rest go to FG. 77th gives up its lowest 19xx to NP. FG then sends its 65xx Novas to C, which sends its 192x buses to NP. Actually, NP only has 6471-6474 of the 6471-6484 group. Buses 6475 to at least 6477 (again, of the 6471-6484 group) are now at 77th. NP also has buses 6692-6707. Kedzie, on the other hand, will likely not receive any Novas. However, it may lose a few artics to another garage and gain a few 1000-series NF buses from various other garages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted December 10, 2012 Report Share Posted December 10, 2012 Actually, NP only has 6471-6474 of the 6471-6484 group. Buses 6475 to at least 6477 (again, of the 6471-6484 group) are now at 77th. NP also has buses 6692-6707. Kedzie, on the other hand, will likely not receive any Novas. However, it may lose a few artics to another garage and gain a few 1000-series NF buses from various other garages. And didn't 74th have buses out of that group? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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