4CottageGrove95th Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I only see one #7900 today on the #52A.. I'm kinda slow about this. I'm just getting used to using CTA Bus Tracker. And I have to admit, it's fun. However, in reference to your comment, last Sunday, the only 7900 series that I saw out of 77th was on 4 Cottage Grove southbound to 95th. That was around 1 or 2 in the afternoon. Then it disappeared. I'm just curious as to why they don't run the 7900s on Saturdays and Sundays since, from what I've read, there are at least 80 on the property? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 I don't see anything in the budget that they are increasing bus service (as opposed to increasing L service). All references lately have been to about 1800 buses, not back to 2100, which is about what you are trying to convince us of here. Also, there appears nowhere to store them (unless 77th goes back to about 400 buses from supposedly each garage having about 265). A jajuan has pointed out, all the sudden you have posted that the rehabs have accelerated. They can't do that unless they have buses to cover the routes, and once that is done about mid 2015, there won't be a reason to keep the overage buses around here. Well I never said 300 buses so I don't where you heard that from. I said 100 buses. As usual you have blown what I said out of proportion. Wasn't it you who said they were already running 100 buses surplus since the 100 artics showed up cause not much was retired there. A few optimas, that's it. Funny they seemed to find a place to store the 100 surplus, and they even still have the optimas. So what is your explanation there? If it was pertaining to #1000's rehabs, please tell me how they made service before the #7900's arrived in June which the rehabs started last November. I think it's just CTA being cautious. So looking at your assertion, i looked back on the rosters to see how they have changed since the #7900's arrived. I found 8 more buses at FG, 5 less at Chicago, 3 less at Np, 11 more at K, one more at 74th, 36 more at 77th, but that can be explained by there loss of artics, but not entirely as the fleet loss of 36 artics was doubled instead of increased by a third. So that's 14 more total fleet minus 77th which has increased about as much in itself. So if I said well hey let's account for 30 buses, then we should have 52 #6400's retired which we don't, it's roughly a third of that. This supports what was mentioned by insiders about Fg not getting buses at all for the base order. I think the Chicago and 74th Novas will be the only ones retiring with this base order. Any Fg retirements will be the product of a #6400 replacement. That's what seems to make the most sense to me from what I've heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Well I never said 300 buses so I don't where you heard that from. I said 100 buses. As usual you have blown what I said out of proportion. Wasn't it you who said they were already running 100 buses surplus since the 100 artics showed up cause not much was retired there. A few optimas, that's it.... No, 45 Optimas, 9 900s, plus a certain amount of junk. So maybe up about 40, but that would indicate that 120 Novas should be crunched soon, except for the "keeping enough spares during rehabs." At least you modified "all." And the "1800" is up from about 1730. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Besides the rehabs, there is winter cdming and you can almost be certain there will be a couple of days where the artics will not go out on Lake Shore Drive. Yhat, along with continued deliveries of 7900s should keep CTA at a surplus for a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Any Fg retirements will be the product of a #6400 replacement. That's what seems to make the most sense to me from what I've heard. Novas at Forest Glen will be retired by Novas(6400's) right now. Then when Chicago and 74th has no more Novas, the Novas at Forest Glen will be replaced by used School Buses. And those School Buses will operate Forest Glen routes until the order that is placed near 2020 to begin retirement of the New Flyer D40LF's. Sad, but true.... at least the way things are going. I think 77th has enough buses that at least a dozen or so New Flyers at the least can be sent to Forest Glen. Given the rosters at the garages, Forest Glen has to have the highest breakdown and out of service percentage with 74th and Chicago next in order with quantity of Novas(6400's) in service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Novas at Forest Glen will be retired by Novas(6400's) right now. Then when Chicago and 74th has no more Novas, the Novas at Forest Glen will be replaced by used School Buses. ... I don't think this is RTA South, which had to do that when the Grummans were inspected after the NY fiasco. Of course, someone had posted pictures of New Looks with weird paint jobs which seemed to have CTA fleet numbers but came from somewhere else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 New Novas: #7905 #7967 #7976. #7905 was dirty as hell like my goodness!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 New Novas: #7905 #7967 #7976. #7905 was dirty as hell like my goodness!!! No wonder #7905's been sitting around for 6 months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 No wonder #7905's been sitting around for 6 months. Well, it was very rainy and mild in the northeast region. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 Well, it was very rainy and mild in the northeast region. And if the question is whether they drove them through the messy weather last weekend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 And if the question is whether they drove them through the messy weather last weekend.Hell, tell me about it. I don't think maintenance could've washed it after it had arrived depending on what time it came (I'm guessing yesterday since I was out there this past Saturday). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 So it was road salted or dusty? There was that storm last weekend that dropped a few inches of snow on Minnesota but that was tracking through the northern great lakes unless this bus went through Canada. The former #6400's did have a stopoff in Detroit!! LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 18, 2014 Report Share Posted November 18, 2014 So it was road salted or dusty? There was that storm last weekend that dropped a few inches of snow on Minnesota but that was tracking through the northern great lakes unless this bus went through Canada. The former #6400's did have a stopoff in Detroit!! LOL As mentioned before, either they used Ont. 401 and I-94 or I-87 and I-90 to get from Plattsbugh. The bad weather we had Saturday went in that direction. Buffalo, N.Y. got a few feet of lake effect snow (sort of similar to what South Bend got over the weekend, and the bus would have had to have gone either through South Bend or the snow belt in Michigan to the north of there, as well as probably through Buffalo). 77th apparently got a new bus wash as part of the hoist project, so it can take care of that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 19, 2014 Report Share Posted November 19, 2014 #7948 is on the #3 @4:50 pm: #7918's about to pull out on the #2 at 60th/Cottage Grove. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 With stories like this, including the NYS Thruway being closed, don't expect any deliveries in the near future. As I noted, the alternate route through Michigan isn't much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 With stories like this, including the NYS Thruway being closed, don't expect any deliveries in the near future. As I noted, the alternate route through Michigan isn't much better. I'm going to limit myself checking on new ones from this day on. Thanks for the info. This wouldn't work either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm going to limit myself checking on new ones from this day on. Thanks for the info. This wouldn't work either. Pretty sure both Nova Buses and Bombardier cars are pretty much grounded until probably after Thanksgiving now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Pretty sure both Nova Buses and Bombardier cars are pretty much grounded until probably after Thanksgiving now.Good luck with that. The way how this weather going to be, I'm guessing until after Christmas but no later than late January-early February. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 I'm going to limit myself checking on new ones from this day on. Thanks for the info. This wouldn't work either. That was the route I described. I don't know if the "!" on your map denotes that I-90 is closed, at least between Erie Pa and Rochester NY. I used to drive that route, but not during winter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geneking7320 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Is it a coincidence I saw two 7990's northbound working #3 King Dr [about 3 blocks from each other] near McCormick Place and both were signed for 95th/St Lawrence? The idea of 2 new buses on a route both having sign problems seems strange... This was around 5:00pm today [11/19/2014]. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Good luck with that. The way how this weather going to be, I'm guessing until after Christmas but no later than late January-early February. They'll have opportunities between storms to move new arrivals from Plattsburgh to Chicago once the roads and expressways are cleared. But deliveries might be slower between December and February due to snow and cold. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 #7948 is on the #3 @4:50 pm: #7918's about to pull out on the #2 at 60th/Cottage Grove. Here's pictures of CTA's newest #7900's in service #7918 and #7948: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lothian Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 But deliveries might be slower between December and February due to snow and cold. Not to mention that there are some 60 artics on the Plattsburgh production list between 7999 and 8000, so while I don't know what order they're working on right now my guess is that there will be no 80xx deliveries before 2015. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Is it a coincidence I saw two 7990's northbound working #3 King Dr [about 3 blocks from each other] near McCormick Place and both were signed for 95th/St Lawrence? The idea of 2 new buses on a route both having sign problems seems strange... This was around 5:00pm today [11/19/2014]. Essentially that has nothing to do with the bus itself, but the Clever Device. Sometimes those things don't realize when they are at the end of the route and don't automatically change the sign. Either that or it was consistently misprogrammed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 20, 2014 Report Share Posted November 20, 2014 Not to mention that there are some 60 artics on the Plattsburgh production list between 7999 and 8000, so while I don't know what order they're working on right now my guess is that there will be no 80xx deliveries before 2015. Novabus had a Flash linking to SEPTA saying that they were starting to get their artics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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