5000-series - Updates

[qwantae]

Very nice to hear that. #5349-50 should be there because it wouldn't make any sense to just skip a pair. If it wasn't for those flaws occurred two years ago, then we would have been seeing the 5000s at least low/mid 5400s to no greater than early 5500s. I'm guessing that we may see them in the 5400s before February.

When it comes to almost 5500s, then they 2400s should be history by then.

[BusHunter]

Very nice to hear that. #5349-50 should be there because it wouldn't make any sense to just skip a pair. If it wasn't for those flaws occurred two years ago, then we would have been seeing the 5000s at least low/mid 5400s to no greater than early 5500s. I'm guessing that we may see them in the 5400s before February.

Yeah, it should be close to that at least, they seem to be doing between 4-6 cars a week at that rate you would be correct. As far as delivery schedules for the #5000's if they deliver 4 cars a week they should be done by Sept 2015. The #2400's should depart during the entire 2014, as that's there last year in service according to the budget. I've been noticing a few fewer #2400 cars at midway yard this week and the #2600's that were there appear to be missing.

[chgofan78]

5349-5350 in service today on the Yellow Line.

[Busjack]

When it comes to almost 5500s, then they 2400s should be history by then.

Your math is supported by that when the deliveries are done (5714) only 200 2600s are supposed to be gone [according to the 7000s meeting], so if you deduct 200 from that....

[garmon757]

When it comes to almost 5500s, then they 2400s should be history by then.

They should be retired by then but who knows.

[garmon757]

Yeah, it should be close to that at least, they seem to be doing between 4-6 cars a week at that rate you would be correct. As far as delivery schedules for the #5000's if they deliver 4 cars a week they should be done by Sept 2015. The #2400's should depart during the entire 2014, as that's there last year in service according to the budget. I've been noticing a few fewer #2400 cars at midway yard this week and the #2600's that were there appear to be missing.

So far we have approximately 350 5000s in service and 364 more to go. Let's say if they did bump up to 6 cars per week without any interference nor flaws then it can be a possibility that the 5000s can be fully complete at least in February 2015. If that projected time table sticks then the 2400s should then be fully retired (I don't know about the work construction 2400s). As far as the 2600s, it should be a consistent decline of them until the 7000s arrive.

[BusHunter]

So far we have approximately 350 5000s in service and 364 more to go. Let's say if they did bump up to 6 cars per week without any interference nor flaws then it can be a possibility that the 5000s can be fully complete at least in February 2015. If that projected time table sticks then the 2400s should then be fully retired (I don't know about the work construction 2400s). As far as the 2600s, it should be a consistent decline of them until the 7000s arrive.

If you figure the fleet totals up they can retire 406 #2600's. If they plan on keeping an extra 60 cars around, that would reduce the total retired to 346 leaving around 260 left in service. I wonder could the 60 cars extra be held in for a possible Dan Ryan expansion if the #7000 contract doesn't happen for some reason.

[Busjack]

If you figure the fleet totals up they can retire 406 #2600's. If they plan on keeping an extra 60 cars around, that would reduce the total retired to 346 leaving around 260 left in service. I wonder could the 60 cars extra be held in for a possible Dan Ryan expansion if the #7000 contract doesn't happen for some reason.

Except that they told the bidders on the 7000s that 400 2600s would remain, not that 400 would be scrapped.

[eyetube21]

Can someone tell me if cars #5317-18 are in service or they went back to Bombardier?

[garmon757]

If you figure the fleet totals up they can retire 406 #2600's. If they plan on keeping an extra 60 cars around, that would reduce the total retired to 346 leaving around 260 left in service. I wonder could the 60 cars extra be held in for a possible Dan Ryan expansion if the #7000 contract doesn't happen for some reason.

I haven't heard any news about the Dan Ryan expansion yet. As far as 7000s contract doesn't happen, it would take a complete idiot to prevent that from happening. I don't know if we have the oldest fleet of rail cars in the country but the 2600s will range between 29-35 years old in 2016. My concern about them is consistent maintenance.The only 2600s that I know are retired this year are #3171-72 and #3177-78. I don't imagine them to be hanging around that long when the production of the 7000s begins. When the 5000s are fully complete, the combination between them and the 3200s is 972 cars including #3457-58 (I don't know what the hell they were thinking when they obnoxiously mated two different series of rail cars) plus the number of the 7000s.

[Busjack]

...I don't know what the hell they were thinking when they obnoxiously mated two different series of rail cars...

The other 2600 of the pair was wrecked, so they decided to get the remaining one a new mate. Chicago.l-org indicates* that 3458 was formerly 3032; so 3031 was the one that was wrecked.

Things like that were frequent in the old days.

*See the Permanent Mismates at the bottom of the page.

[sw4400]

the combination between them and the 3200s is 972 cars including #3457-58 (I don't know what the hell they were thinking when they obnoxiously mated two different series of rail cars) plus the number of the 7000s.

The 3200's were originally going to end with 3455-3456. But CTA wanted to get 3032 back in operation since nothing was wrong with it, just 3031 was wrecked and they had no 2600's they could pair with it at the time. They paid for a half a pair from Morrison-Knudsen so they could pair 3032 up with a working unit. 3457 arrived from the factory, they brought out 3032, renumbered to 3458 and mated it up. The rest, as they say, is history.

[See Tea Eh]

How is it obnoxious to take a perfectly good railcar and run it in service?

As for seeing 5000s on the Purple, given that the fleet comes from Howard Yard, and running Red Line cars on the Purple Line (or vice versa) has been going on for a long time, it's really not that strange to think that some Red Line 5000s could find their way into service on Purple on occasion.

[Sam92]

Last night around 8:20 I spotted some 5000's circling the inner loop with Purple Line "Linden" signs..Either there were multiple sets or the same set going around twice because I first seen them heading north on wells then I stopped by Plymouth and congress to chill and saw them pulling into the library station (simulating in service training?) So is this a possible sign that Purple may be the next to recieve.5000's?

[See Tea Eh]

Last night around 8:20 I spotted some 5000's circling the inner loop with Purple Line "Linden" signs..Either there were multiple sets or the same set going around twice because I first seen them heading north on wells then I stopped by Plymouth and congress to chill and saw them pulling into the library station (simulating in service training?) So is this a possible sign that Purple may be the next to recieve.5000's?

I know I already read this message, hence my responding to it. How did it wind up below my reply?

In any event, I missed the note about it being "last night" (at first I was thinking 8:20 am, during rush hour).

[Sam92]

I know I already read this message, hence my responding to it. How did it wind up below my reply?

In any event, I missed the note about it being "last night" (at first I was thinking 8:20 am, during rush hour).

Thats weird cause I pressed add reply yesterday when I made the post but I opened this window and it still said "add reply" but anyway I see your earlier response . And according to other members observations, even though the Purple Line Express is operated partially out of Howard the fact that Linden Yard has no 5000's, therefore no trainable equipment with them, makes 5000s on the Purple Line out of the question because the first express trips supposedly are 2 (or was it 4?) Car Shuttle trains that train with a few cars at Linden to supply the first express trains to downtown. Yellow Line on the other hand is solely out of Howard which is why 5000's show up on that line from the Red Line. But the fact that their apparently simulating Purple Line Express service with 5000's off peak may be an indicator that Purple may get 5000's before the Orange Line. Possibly as Red Line gets close to its full assignment of 5000's some cars maybe rotated out of Howard and sent to Linden to start 5000's in revenue service on the Purple as Red Line finishes recieving theirs. Easy way to hit all 3 lines with 5000's since their all in the same area using the maps that show Red/Yellow/Purple Line service. Plus makes supplying cars in times of shortages on one line easier I guess

[chicagopcclcar]

I haven't heard any news about the Dan Ryan expansion yet. As far as 7000s contract doesn't happen, it would take a complete idiot to prevent that from happening. I don't know if we have the oldest fleet of rail cars in the country but the 2600s will range between 29-35 years old in 2016.

The oldest are NYC and Philadelphia - NJ trains across the bridge. The 2200's were 3th oldest.

[garmon757]

The oldest are NYC and Philadelphia - NJ trains across the bridge. The 2200's were 3th oldest.

Hey, thanks for the info.

[garmon757]

The other 2600 of the pair was wrecked, so they decided to get the remaining one a new mate. Chicago.l-org indicates* that 3458 was formerly 3032; so 3031 was the one that was wrecked.

Things like that were frequent in the old days.

Yeah I know. I've read it about 2 years ago. I was surprised that #2977-78 were retired years ago. I know #3457-58 are DC cars but to me, it just looks tacky. The big question is, how they are going to rehab that pair with the led signature like the ones on the #5000s?

*See the Permanent Mismates at the bottom of the page.

[sw4400]

The other 2600 of the pair was wrecked, so they decided to get the remaining one a new mate. Chicago.l-org indicates* that 3458 was formerly 3032; so 3031 was the one that was wrecked.

Things like that were frequent in the old days.

Yeah I know. I've read it about 2 years ago. I was surprised that #2977-78 were retired years ago. I know #3457-58 are DC cars but to me, it just looks tacky. The big question is, how they are going to rehab that pair with the led signature like the ones on the #5000s?

When they do the LED rehabs on the 3200's, my guess is that either 3457-3458 will both get the LED displays, or just 3457 and 3458(ex-3032) will be subsequently retired, as it is a 1985 Budd model that'll be 30 years old at the time, and 3457 may just remain on long-term hold indefinitely, or another option...

-3351-3352 and 3435-3436 are out of service since the accidents w/ derailments at grade level at Kedzie in the past few years. There is speculation that these sets will be fully rehabbed and returned to service, but a mismate even/odd is possible too, like 3436 or 3352 being mated with 3457 to create 3436-3457* or 3352-3457*.

[garmon757]

When they do the LED rehabs on the 3200's, my guess is that either 3457-3458 will both get the LED displays, or just 3457 and 3458(ex-3032) will be subsequently retired, as it is a 1985 Budd model that'll be 30 years old at the time, and 3457 may just remain on long-term hold indefinitely, or another option...

-3351-3352 and 3435-3436 are out of service since the accidents w/ derailments at grade level at Kedzie in the past few years. There is speculation that these sets will be fully rehabbed and returned to service, but a mismate even/odd is possible too, like 3436 or 3352 being mated with 3457 to create 3436-3457* or 3352-3457*.

Oh wow. I really forgot about that derailment but I didn't know about #3435-36 and #3351-52 was out of service. I don't know about the mismates of them with #3457 but I wouldn't be surprised if all off them including #3457-58 be retired or just #3457-58.

[BusHunter]

#5351-52 was in route to howard yard about two hours ago.

[garmon757]

#5351-52 was in route to howard yard about two hours ago.

It's already in service. I'm already on that train wooooo lol. Any new cars at Skokie?

[BusHunter]

It's already in service. I'm already on that train wooooo lol. Any new cars at Skokie?

Yes I believe the next 4 cars are there, #5353-56.

[garmon757]

Yes I believe the next 4 cars are there, #5353-56.

Ok very nice to hear. I see that the production is getting really consistent every week. I haven't seen #5347-50 in service yet.