1000-series D40LF - Updates & Retirements

[YoungBusLover]

35 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Aw if those buses got an X spray painted on them then they are retired they only do that when they retire them 

It's not sprayed on there with paint it's more so etched across the back end of the engine door. I've seen buses in serivce currently with that same marking that buses in the boneyard have. I'll see if I can find a bus with that.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

On 7/30/2023 at 9:23 AM, YoungBusLover said:

So I've come to realize something with these looming retirements for the #1000s. I've noticed an X etched out on a bunch of them as of late on the rear engine door. Now that doesn't mean they'll be retired before the year is out but I have noticed that on buses in the boneyard and a select few on buses out of 77th and 103rd for the past few months. Something to keep an eye on as the year progresses.

which bus numbers you saw them on

[YoungBusLover]

44 minutes ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

which bus numbers you saw them on

These are all in the boneyard without fareboxes and ventra readers along with other parts being stripped away. More have been added since I did this list back in mid july.

1. 1890
2. 2008 
3. 1820
4. 1883
5. 1948
6. 1739
7. 1930
8. 1765
9. 1922
10. 1771
11. 1859
12. 1150
13. 1697
14. 1704
15. 1732
16. 1870
17. 1825
18. 1671
19. 1684
20. 1756
21. 1740
22. 1670
23. 2016 has FB on LTH
24. 2013
25. 1738 has FB on LTH
26. 1850 has FB on LTH
27. 1517 
28. 1886
29. 1959
30. 1963
31. 1997
32. 1935
33. 1012
34. 1614
35. 1894
36. 1742
37. 1937
38. 1646
39. 1447
40. 1178 has FB
41. 1685
42. 1681
43. 1706
44. 1931
45. 1999
46. 1928
47. 1794
48. 1792
49. 1652
50. 1888
51. 1298
52. 1856
53. 1338
 

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

4 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

These are all in the boneyard without fareboxes and ventra readers along with other parts being stripped away. More have been added since I did this list back in mid july.

1. 1890
2. 2008 
3. 1820
4. 1883
5. 1948
6. 1739
7. 1930
8. 1765
9. 1922
10. 1771
11. 1859
12. 1150
13. 1697
14. 1704
15. 1732
16. 1870
17. 1825
18. 1671
19. 1684
20. 1756
21. 1740
22. 1670
23. 2016 has FB on LTH
24. 2013
25. 1738 has FB on LTH
26. 1850 has FB on LTH
27. 1517 
28. 1886
29. 1959
30. 1963
31. 1997
32. 1935
33. 1012
34. 1614
35. 1894
36. 1742
37. 1937
38. 1646
39. 1447
40. 1178 has FB
41. 1685
42. 1681
43. 1706
44. 1931
45. 1999
46. 1928
47. 1794
48. 1792
49. 1652
50. 1888
51. 1298
52. 1856
53. 1338
 

Are all those missing Ventra readers or the ones with Fareboxes have Ventra readers too?

[Shannoncvpi]

6 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

It's not sprayed on there with paint it's more so etched across the back end of the engine door. I've seen buses in serivce currently with that same marking that buses in the boneyard have. I'll see if I can find a bus with that.

Aw ok well that's different I was thinking it was spray painted 

[Shannoncvpi]

1 hour ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

Are all those missing Ventra readers or the ones with Fareboxes have Ventra readers too?

Of course 1150 missing parts that's a fire bus but dam 1738 it was on the streets not too long ago 

[YoungBusLover]

#1707 and #1799 have been added to the LTH/300 list. #1799 sits in the boneyard behind #1017 while #1707 sits along the SS fence along 79th.

[YoungBusLover]

Now I'm usually not the one to connect dots here but something mighty strange has been going on over the past month and a half at 77th. I was recently talking to some shop guys about the looming retirements and a few buses have already been taken off the roster for the incoming #8350s. That then prompted me to ask about for latest roster for 77th which then led me to these 16 buses 5 off which have already been taken off the roster for undisclosed reasons. #1301 & #1338 have sat in the boneyard since early June, while #1274,#1279 & #1320 have sat dormant along the SS fence for about a month as well, #1330 has been in and out of SS. #1195,#1230,#1430,#1440, and #1251 have sat dormant in  the bays since early July and I'm not sure if they failed inspections or what but they haven't been moved since being parked in that particular bay area.  103rd is still on my radar as well since they still have 32 #1000s OOS since mid to late June. Where did those buses go and are they still at 103rd because I haven't seen to many at SS and I doubt they're at other garages.

1.) #1195    9/10/06    7/10/23, 5:56 PM    2    2 -755    7             #8405
2.) #1230    11/17/06    7/10/23, 7:01 PM    X4    X4 -764    7      #8452
3.) #1251    11/14/06    7/20/23, 6:20 PM    4    4 -701    7                #8456
4.) #1274    11/15/06    7/7/23, 3:36 PM    4    4 -707    7            #8457
5.) #1279    11/29/06    6/23/23, 7:11 PM    3    3 -710    7          #8458
6.) #1283    11/10/06    5/29/23, 1:42 AM    87    87 -704    7           #8507
7.) #1289    11/29/06    7/5/23, 2:30 PM    53A    53A-708    7          #8526
8.) #1291    11/15/06    7/20/23, 5:30 PM    79    79 -751    7            #8529
9.) #1301    1/15/07    5/25/23, 9:06 AM    8    8 -710    7            #8543
10.) #1320    1/29/07    6/29/23, 10:15 AM    X4    X4 -705    7   #8544
11.) #1330    2/1/07    7/11/23, 7:36 PM    79    79 -761    7        #8550
12.) #1338    1/24/07    5/19/23, 7:31 PM    24    24 -752    7      #8551
13.) #1342    1/8/07    7/7/23, 6:16 PM    53A    53A-755    7      #8560
14.) #1359    2/16/07    7/28/23, 6:45 PM    1    1 -757    7               #8563
15.) #1430    8/31/07    7/10/23, 4:21 PM    79    79 -762    7      #8565
16.) #1440    9/16/07    7/10/23, 5:16 PM    2    2 -756    7       

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

i’m looking for some background info/clarification on this:

is there 3 #1000’s?? or only 2? the prototype 1000 was renumbered to #1005 the original #1000 is at 89th/Greenwood and the 3rd one is a 2007 model currently at Kedzie garage.

[andrethebusman99]

As far as I know there were only two. The pilot 1000 is at Greenwood, the current 1000 (built between 1429 and 1430) was the only other one. Never heard of 1005 being originally 1000. Would not make sense as serial for 1005 is the fifth in that group.

[Shannoncvpi]

8 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

i’m looking for some background info/clarification on this:

is there 3 #1000’s?? or only 2? the prototype 1000 was renumbered to #1005 the original #1000 is at 89th/Greenwood and the 3rd one is a 2007 model currently at Kedzie garage.

I know they normally have 2 2 over there on 87th & the other one that's on the streets I'm not sure about a 3rd never heard of it

[Busjack]

5 hours ago, andrethebusman99 said:

As far as I know there were only two. The pilot 1000 is at Greenwood, the current 1000 (built between 1429 and 1430) was the only other one. Never heard of 1005 being originally 1000. Would not make sense as serial for 1005 is the fifth in that group.

Only thing distinctive about 1005 is that it was the prototype (first) to be rehabbed.

[YoungBusLover]

There is three #1000s technically speaking. The vin numbers for the mechanical trainer at 89th/Greenwood may not be available online but #1000 and #1005 are technically #1000. #1005 being the prototype and #1000 being the standard bus like the rest of the fleet. My assumption was that the mechanical trainer was always the prototype from the start since it still had the original decals,bike rack, magnetic strip alongside the farebox installed in it among other components. So I considered it to be #1000 - A, where as #1005 was #1000 - B. 

 

[busfan2847]

6 hours ago, andrethebusman99 said:

As far as I know there were only two. The pilot 1000 is at Greenwood, the current 1000 (built between 1429 and 1430) was the only other one. Never heard of 1005 being originally 1000. Would not make sense as serial for 1005 is the fifth in that group.

I agree. The pilot 1000 has chassis number 28549, the current 1000 has chassis number 31602 (which is between 1429 (30731) and 1430 (31793)) and is a 2006 model. 1005 has a chassis number (29085) which is in the sequence with 1001-1020 (29081-29100).

[YoungBusLover]

2 hours ago, busfan2847 said:

I agree. The pilot 1000 has chassis number 28549, the current 1000 has chassis number 31602 (which is between 1429 (30731) and 1430 (31793)) and is a 2006 model. 1005 has a chassis number (29085) which is in the sequence with 1001-1020 (29081-29100).

So 2007 models such as #1350 onwards aren't really 2007 models? The date of manufacture would place a host of buses in that category for 2007 models even though there counterparts were completed in late 2006. In regards to #1005 I think confusion arose after the initial gut rehabs started as it was the first  bus to receive it as a pilot for the future of rehabs. I'll have to verify the vin number along with date of manufacture on that bus but I'm pretty sure you are correct in your assessment of it. @busfan2847 and @andrethebusman99

[Bus1883]

16 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

i’m looking for some background info/clarification on this:

is there 3 #1000’s?? or only 2? the prototype 1000 was renumbered to #1005 the original #1000 is at 89th/Greenwood and the 3rd one is a 2007 model currently at Kedzie garage.

Supposedly there are two, the original one displayed at navy pier in 2005 should be the one at 89th facility it has its numbers removed. The second #1000 is not the prototype as it has standard features the rest of them such and the plastic seats and bike racks. #1005 was the first bus to be rehabbed which was a pilot for the rehabs on the rest of the #1000’s. I believe the original one is the prototype that was at navy pier during a press conference in 2005 as it still retains the original bike racks and Chicago card plus decals above the front door. I’m pretty sure it still has the original lighting as it was never used as much as the rest of the fleet. If you ever go on CPTDB website. On the current #1000, It’ll say “Replaced the original #1000 that was returned to New Flyer”.

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

the one at Kedzie currently has the seats like 1301-2029 have so i can only think there’s 2 wit the proto being at 89th i remember there was a website of all of CTA’s buses vin numbers idk what happen to it 

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

45 minutes ago, Bus1883 said:

If you ever go on CPTDB website. On the current #1000, It’ll say “Replaced the original #1000 that was returned to New Flyer”.

can u share the link

[andrethebusman99]

Not correct. Pilot bus was indeed kept by CTA. Always intended to become a "training aid", just like Flxible 5300 (1st).

[Bus1883]

3 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

can u share the link

https://cptdb.ca/wiki/index.php/Chicago_Transit_Authority_1000-1244

[andrethebusman99]

"Model year" is not the same as "build year". Model years change during September, just like on cars. Buses built September thru December have VIN code for following year. Some transit systems go by model year in their inventories, others by delivery year. 

[Busjack]

6 hours ago, andrethebusman99 said:

"Model year" is not the same as "build year". Model years change during September, just like on cars. Buses built September thru December have VIN code for following year. Some transit systems go by model year in their inventories, others by delivery year. 

I'm not sure what relevance this has, especially since you didn't quote the post to which you are  responding. If it is the cptdb link, it uses "build date" and isn't necessarily authoritative (at one time, it had Pace 30' buses  as 20506s up, while it was obvious they weren't CNGs).

I think @busfan2847 may have the proof that there is only one 1005, unless someone can come up with a VIN plate to the contrary.

 

[YoungBusLover]

I Found some new editions in the boneyard this morning, #1215,#1363, #1585, and #1811.

[YoungBusLover]

Some new editions to the boneyard this week are #1152, #1511, #1541, #1811 is now on LTH, #1845, and #1945.

[YoungBusLover]

I've got some more editions to the boneyard this afternoon that I may of missed this morning. #1634, #1658, #1659, #1661, #1668 , #1669, #1682, #1694, #1782, #1816, #1836, #1887, and #1953.