1000-series D40LF - Updates & Retirements

[YoungBusLover]

8 minutes ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

1682 has a 300 sticker. list more buses with 300 stickers or see about buses that just got stickers

I'll check again but not every bus will receive a Yellow or Red stickers before they are towed away for scrap. If #1682 does have a red sticker it'll be the first #1000 to get one after sitting for less than 6 months while #1697 has sat almost two years now with no sticker until most recently.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

2 minutes ago, YoungBusLover said:

I'll check again but not every bus will receive a Yellow or Red stickers before they are towed away for scrap. If #1682 does have a red sticker it'll be the first #1000 to get one after sitting for less than 6 months while #1697 has sat almost two years now with no sticker until most recently.

alright because i got shocked once i saw the red sticker

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

also 1132 is being used as a Migrant bus on State street police station from time to time

[YoungBusLover]

1 hour ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

#1126 is at NP last ran 12/12

#1177 is at NP last ran 12/12

#1188 is at NP last ran 12/12

#1798 is at NP last ran 12/12 on the yellow line shuttle

5 minutes ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

also 1132 is being used as a Migrant bus on State street police station from time to time

Gotcha, whatever pops back up in service I'll remove from the list. 

 

 

[Policeman]

On 12/12/2023 at 4:45 PM, YoungBusLover said:

I've update the Boneyard/South Shop List again and the bus #s in bold black are the recent editions added to the Boneyard/South Shops.

#1010    Work-Bus 1
#1011    Work-Bus 2
#1012    Boneyard LTH/300                
#1017    Boneyard LTH/300
#1065    SS or 3
#1067    SS or 3
#1075    SS or 3
#1085    SS or 3
#1090    SS or 3
#1091    Boneyard   6/23/06    11/15/23, 5:00 PM    11    11 -504    P
#1092    SS or 3
#1095    SS or 3
#1101    SS or C
#1104    SS
#1106    SS or 3
#1109    SS or 3
#1111    SS
#1112    SS or 3
#1125    SS or FG             
#1128    SS or 3
#1129    SS or 3
#1143    SS or 3
#1152    Boneyard
#1150    Boneyard (Fire)            
#1158    SS or 3
#1167    SS or 3
#1170    SS or 3
#1174    SS or 3
#1176    SS or 3
#1189    Boneyard LTH/300
#1192    SS or 3
#1194    SS or 3
#1228    Boneyard         
#1291    SS
#1301    Moved to SS from Boneyard
#1305    Boneyard (Fire)                
#1342    Boneyard
#1363    Boneyard (Accident)
#1368    SS

#1415    SS or 6
#1447    Boneyard (Accident)                
#1494    SS
#1517    Boneyard                
#1519    SS or 6
#1529    SS or 6
#1541    Boneyard (Accident)                
#1614    Boneyard                
#1626    SS                
#1634    Boneyard
#1635    Boneyard
#1639    Boneyard
#1640    Boneyard
#1642    SS or FG
#1645    Boneyard
#1646    Boneyard LTH/300                
#1650    Boneyard
#1652    Boneyard LTH/300
#1655    SS or FG
#1656    Boneyard
#1658    Boneyard
#1659    Boneyard
#1661    Boneyard
#1662    SS or FG
#1664    Boneyard
#1668    Boneyard
#1669    Boneyard
#1670    Boneyard            
#1671    Boneyard
#1679    SS or K
#1680    SS or K        
#1681    Boneyard LTH/300
#1682    Boneyard
#1684    Boneyard            
#1685    Boneyard
#1689    Boneyard 
#1690    SS or K
#1692    SS  or K
#1693    Boneyard
#1694    Boneyard
#1696    Boneyard
#1697    Boneyard LTH/300    
#1698    Boneyard                       
#1704    Boneyard            
#1706    Boneyard
#1707    SS or NP
#1708    SS or NP
#1711    Boneyard
#1717    Boneyard
#1723    SS or NP
#1730    Boneyard                
#1732    Boneyard                
#1738    Boneyard
#1739    Boneyard LTH/300
#1740    Boneyard                
#1741    Boneyard
#1742    Boneyard
#1745   Boneyard
#1746    Boneyard                
#1747    Boneyard
#1756    Boneyard
#1763    Boneyard        
#1765    Boneyard                
#1770    Boneyard
#1771    Boneyard
#1773    Boneyard
#1778    Boneyard
#1782    Boneyard
#1792    Boneyard LTH/300
#1794    Boneyard
#1799    Boneyard LTH/300
#1800    SS or NP
#1805    Boneyard (Accident)                 
#1811    Boneyard LTH/300
#1812    SS or NP
#1814    Boneyard
#1816    Boneyard
#1817    Boneyard
#1820    Boneyard LTH/300
#1821    Boneyard (Accident)            
#1825    Boneyard                
#1828    Boneyard
#1829    Boneyard
#1831    Boneyard
#1833    SS or NP
#1836    Boneyard
#1841    Boneyard
#1842    Boneyard
#1844    Boneyard

#1845   Boneyard
#1850    Boneyard
#1856    Boneyard
#1859    Boneyard LTH/300
#1861    Boneyard            
#1864    Boneyard
#1868    Boneyard LTH/300
#1870    Boneyard LTH/300                
#1883    Boneyard LTH/300
#1886    Boneyard
#1887    Boneyard
#1888    Boneyard
#1890    Boneyard LTH/300
#1894    Boneyard LTH/300
#1916    Boneyard
#1922    Boneyard LTH/300            
#1925    Boneyard (Accident)                
#1926    Boneyard
#1928    Boneyard LTH/300
#1930    Boneyard LTH/300                
#1931    Boneyard
#1933    SS
#1935    Boneyard                
#1936    Boneyard
#1937    Boneyard LTH/300
#1943    Boneyard
#1945    Boneyard
#1946    Boneyard
#1947    Boneyard
#1948    Boneyard LTH/300            
#1953    Boneyard
#1959    Boneyard            
#1960    Boneyard
#1961    Boneyard                
#1963    Boneyard LTH/300
#1969    Boneyard

#1978    Boneyard LTH/300

#1984    Boneyard
#1988    Boneyard
#1990    Boneyard
#1993    Boneyard (Retired due to fire)                
#1996    Boneyard  LTH/300          
#1997    Boneyard

#1998    Boneyard            
#1999    Boneyard LTH/300
#2004    Boneyard
#2005    SS or C
#2008    Boneyard LTH/300
#2013    Boneyard            
#2016    Boneyard
#2018    SS
#2022    Boneyard
#2023    Boneyard
#2027    Boneyard

1519 at 6 (ran today on the 9)

[YoungBusLover]

#1779 has been placed on LTH/300, just passed by it sitting along the fence on 79th.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

Are there any updates with the following buses and if they are at South Shops now or anywhere?

1679 1702 1754 1705 1852 1216 1758 1609 1795 1932 1785 1865 1772 1877 1807 1823 1720 1822 1655 1662 1618 1037 1395 1029 1410 1019 1654

[Shannoncvpi]

On 12/9/2023 at 6:39 PM, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

1682 has a red 300 sticker, meaning that bus is ready for being towed to scrap. 

So that's what the red sticker means it's retired & ready for scrap??

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

5 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

So that's what the red sticker means it's retired & ready for scrap??

yes

[Shannoncvpi]

4 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

yes

Dam it's all bad good buying being knocked off due to rust 

[YoungBusLover]

I'm still curious of the current state of these 21 #1000s out of 103rd, I haven't seen them anywhere still.

#1065    6/4/06    6/8/23, 5:37 PM    29    29 -152    3
#1067    5/24/06    6/14/23, 7:33 PM    26    26 -104    3
#1075    1/24/07    9/6/23, 6:15 PM    15    15 -157    3
#1085    5/24/06    6/9/23, 6:27 PM    103    103 -151    3
#1090    6/3/06    6/22/23, 6:16 PM    172    172 -102    3
#1092    6/4/06    5/25/23, 9:46 PM    119    34 -104    3
#1095    6/11/06    8/1/23, 9:47 AM    112    112 -105    3
#1106    6/16/06    6/8/23, 5:32 PM    26    26 -104    3
#1109    6/20/06    6/30/23, 10:20 AM    172    172 -106    3
#1112    6/30/06    6/26/23, 9:50 AM    28    28 -109    3
#1128    7/9/06    6/21/23, 6:43 PM    172    172 -103    3
#1129    7/10/06    6/19/23, 2:58 PM    6    6 -103    3
#1143    7/24/06    11/8/23, 1:00 AM    34    111 -104    3
#1152    8/4/06    9/22/23, 9:35 PM    26    26 -104    3
#1158    8/6/06    6/22/23, 12:38 AM    29    29 -151    3
#1167    8/17/06    6/20/23, 6:23 PM    6    6 -101    3
#1170    8/10/06    6/22/23, 9:21 AM    103    103 -105    3
#1174    9/13/06    6/20/23, 9:38 AM    100    100 -102    3
#1176    9/17/06    6/20/23, 8:18 AM    108    108 -101    3
#1192    9/21/06    6/13/23, 7:17 PM    29    29 -151    3
#1194    9/25/06    6/20/23, 9:08 AM    108    100 -104    3

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

I spotted 1759 and 1852 on the south fence with major rusting, so those are pretty much done for.

[YoungBusLover]

I have some new editions to the boneyard this week. #1655, #1662, #1702, #1705, #1731, #1754, #1772,#1921, & #1973. They're pretty much done at this point, fareboxes removed except from #1655.

[Bus1883]

D

7 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

I have some new editions to the boneyard this week. #1655, #1662, #1702, #1705, #1731, #1754, #1772,#1921, & #1973. They're pretty much done at this point, fareboxes removed except from #1655.

Options 3 and 4 smh

[Rhys Pate]

On 1/2/2024 at 10:10 AM, YoungBusLover said:

I have some new editions to the boneyard this week. #1655, #1662, #1702, #1705, #1731, #1754, #1772,#1921, & #1973. They're pretty much done at this point, fareboxes removed except from #1655.

Wow! It really was a poor decision for the CTA to buy carbon steel-frame buses! The 4000s have carbon steel-frames too. If carbon-steel frame 1000s continue to be removed from service due to rust at this rate, the CTA will have to assign Novas to North Park (new 8350s, reassigning 7900s, or both).

[Bus1883]

23 hours ago, Rhys Pate said:

Wow! It really was a poor decision for the CTA to buy carbon steel-frame buses! The 4000s have carbon steel-frames too. If carbon-steel frame 1000s continue to be removed from service due to rust at this rate, the CTA will have to assign Novas to North Park (new 8350s, reassigning 7900s, or both).

Not necessarily at least they’ve met their 12-year warranty LOL!!!! Salt, sand and extreme winter temperatures may be to blame it’s not CTA.

[Shannoncvpi]

38 minutes ago, Bus1883 said:

Not necessarily at least they’ve met their 12-year warranty LOL!!!! Salt, sand and extreme winter temperatures may be to blame it’s not CTA.

I wonder is the 8350+ made of the same 

[Busjack]

57 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

I wonder is the 8350+ made of the same 

No. All Novas have stainless frames. (Specs)

[Shannoncvpi]

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

No. All Novas have stainless frames. (Specs)

Aw OK bet 

[Rhys Pate]

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

No. All Novas have stainless frames. (Specs)

That is great! This means that the Novas are not going to rust out!

[Rhys Pate]

Did the CTA choose to order buses with carbon steel frames when they ordered those buses from New Flyer (the last 430 1000s and the 4000s) or does New Flyer now only produce buses with carbon steel frames?

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, Rhys Pate said:

Did the CTA choose to order buses with carbon steel frames when they ordered those buses from New Flyer (the last 430 1000s and the 4000s) or does New Flyer now only produce buses with carbon steel frames?

If you look back at the press releases cited up the thread, it was CTA's decision.

Update: After looking @YoungBusLover's post, I dug up the links: 1630s, 4000s.

[YoungBusLover]

1 hour ago, Busjack said:

If you look back at the press releases cited up the thread, it was CTA's decision.

Update: After looking @YoungBusLover's post, I dug up the links: 1630s, 4000s.

Reading the articles this last paragraph at the end hasn't aged too well. Make ya wonder how much did the CTA really save since the purchase and then post rehab of 2015.

"In addition, before completing its order for 400 low-emission 40-foot buses from New Flyer of America, Inc., the CTA was able to reduce the weight of these new buses by approximately 1,000 lbs. By switching from a stainless steel chassis to carbon steel and by using a smaller, more efficient engine, the gas mileage increased from 3.18 mpg to 3.28 mpg.

Each of the 400 buses is expected to average 40,000 miles per year in travel making the annual savings in fuel costs more than $565,000, just by operating a lighter vehicle. Furthermore, because the newer buses are 38% more fuel efficient than the buses they are replacing, the total savings to the CTA over the anticipated 12-year life span of the buses is nearly $80 million. The CTA began taking delivery of the new low emission buses earlier this year, with 110 currently in service, and expects to have all 400 by spring 2009.

Combined, the CTA expects that these steps will save $ 91.5 million over the 12-year average life of the buses compared to the costs to operate the current fleet of buses."

[Rhys Pate]

I question how much money the carbon steel-frame buses have actually saved due to them rusting out. The CTA is not experiencing the full benefits of these buses by having a significant number of them out of service.

[YoungBusLover]

4 hours ago, Rhys Pate said:

I question how much money the carbon steel-frame buses have actually saved due to them rusting out. The CTA is not experiencing the full benefits of these buses by having a significant number of them out of service.

They got between 15 - 17 years out of them so they did serve there purpose. I don't know where your headspace is to come to that conclusion.  "The CTA is not experiencing the full benefits of these buses by having a significant number of them out of service."