pace2322 Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Well 1165 is out of Kedzie, and is not the oldest of the fleet(1000-1002), so looks like they might be going garage by garage. If more blocks of Kedzie buses start showing up rehabbed, then this is how the CTA is doing the mid-life "gut" rehabs of the 1000-Series New Flyer D40LF buses. We have 1018 and 1252 at 103rd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 We have 1018 and 1252 at 103rd. I have those on 103rd's roster. I'm not sure why you mentioned this. Are these the oldest of the fleet? Are they already rehabbed like BusHunter says 1165 is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Most likely they are. He didn't say if they had the new headlights but they probably do. Looks like they are working on the initial 430 buses first. I've been seeing alot of the new clever devices in #1000's lately. They must be replacing those ahead of the rehab. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Well, as far as 4150-4207 is concerned that was more due to CTA being stuck in a rough spot with no choice but to take tht seating design (and arrangement). Someone in another thread (4300's thread?) Mentioned that those were the only seats available when CTA placed the order.... And there were 226 reasons for CTA not to wait for there regular seats to come in Yeah I was going to mention that but I couldn't remember if they were stuck with that design/arrangement because of it in part being that CTA piggybacked all the 4000s as a whole from a larger order originally from Seattle's King County Metro and that was the specs on the later ones or if it was just that was the only thing available period when CTA had to make that later option order because of the NABIs getting pulled. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Yeah I was going to mention that but I couldn't remember if they were stuck with that design/arrangement because of it in part being that CTA piggybacked all the 4000s as a whole from a larger order originally from Seattle's King County Metro and that was the specs on the later ones or if it was just that was the only thing available period when CTA had to make that later option order because of the NABIs getting pulled. Those 58 buses were a separate deal based on an ARRA grant for 58 buses (plus the Dearborn subway and Chinatown station). I'm sure the debate about seats is that CTA once claimed that they were going to replace the 17 inch seats used in buses from 1990 to 2006 with the 18-1/2 inch seats used in subsequent New Flyers. I doubt that a new arrangement would be used, unless CTA was going to replace the floors (which now have bolt holes). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr.cta85 Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 We have 1018 and 1252 at 103rd. As well as 1531, 1534, 1254, 1539, 1257, 1040, & 1005 just to name a few at at 103rd. I actually drove 1005, 1040,&1531and they are smoother than the 1800's big difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 As well as 1531, 1534, 1254, 1539, 1257, 1040, & 1005 just to name a few at at 103rd. I actually drove 1005, 1040,&1531and they are smoother than the 1800's big difference. Thanks. Apparently from that spread, the overhaul isn't in any particular order, in that one would think that they would do the base order (under 1255?) first. The question to you is whether the last two options (1620 and above) drove any differently than those under, prior to the unders being rehabbed? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'm surprised there doing #1500's already. All those buses have been rehabbed other than getting the new clever devices? Some of the ones I've seen with the new clever devices like #1232 and #1202 don't appear to be rehabbed. I guess I need a second look at those, now you have me wondering. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 I'm surprised there doing #1500's already. All those buses have been rehabbed other than getting the new clever devices? Some of the ones I've seen with the new clever devices like #1232 and #1202 don't appear to be rehabbed. I guess I need a second look at those, now you have me wondering. Yeah I was wondering about those and also doing a closer look at 1000s at NP that I've noticed having the new Clever Device terminals while the buses in question showing no signs of a rehab done. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 2, 2013 Report Share Posted November 2, 2013 Thanks. Apparently from that spread, the overhaul isn't in any particular order, in that one would think that they would do the base order (under 1255?) first. The question to you is whether the last two options (1620 and above) drove any differently than those under, prior to the unders being rehabbed? It also shows that the rehabs are apparently occurring for multiple garages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Yeah I was wondering about those and also doing a closer look at 1000s at NP that I've noticed having the new Clever Device terminals while the buses in question showing no signs of a rehab done. I don't know, hopefully those buses are not rehabbed yet or this is a partial rehab. I was on #1091 which has the new clever devices and the updated rear liftgate sign but other than that no changes. #1165 seem to have the most changes that bus was definitely rehabbed. #1005 which I rode yesterday has the cummins engine in it but so far appears to be the only one like that. It did not have LED interior lights or looked like it was rehabbed other than the engine and headlights so your guess is as good as mine. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanbytes Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I can't believe it's time for the rehabs to start. I remember when I took a trip to CTA HQ when 1000 went from the PR event at Navy Pier to there. All the suits got to take a look and hear a useless sales pitch. The drivers and I looked it over once they left and they had more than a few things to say. They did like the new driver seat though! I got to ride it back to the Chicago garage with the supervisor and mechanic. They did some unofficial speed tests and we were all surprised at how much zip it had. Good times back when I was young. What do the new external signs look like? I haven't been outside for a couple months due to another spine fusion. I'm going nuts not being able to ride the bus or train. I hear the toots from the Ravenswood trains at night and it drives me crazy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 I don't know, hopefully those buses are not rehabbed yet or this is a partial rehab. I was on #1091 which has the new clever devices and the updated rear liftgate sign but other than that no changes. #1165 seem to have the most changes that bus was definitely rehabbed. #1005 which I rode yesterday has the cummins engine in it but so far appears to be the only one like that. It did not have LED interior lights or looked like it was rehabbed other than the engine and headlights so your guess is as good as mine. Which Cummins engine was in 1005, and 1165 for that matter? A newer one that's up to date with the most recent EPA standards? All of them have some form of Cummins engine dependent upon which option block the individual bus is from to begin with but the one of the questions with the rehabs was if the rehabs would bring about some change to the Cummins engines initially installed in them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
qwantae Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Last night, I seen #909 parked at 77th along with 1483 both them 2 with No Bike Racks. Are the 800s/ 900s getting rehab too? Or what's the deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Last night, I seen #909 parked at 77th with no bike rack. Are the 800s/ 900s getting rehab too? Or what's the deal? They weren't on the count of 1029 in the specs., and there were only 2 specs, not a separate one for the hybrids. Maybe a bike rack is missing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 5, 2013 Report Share Posted November 5, 2013 Last night, I seen #909 parked at 77th along with 1483 both them 2 with No Bike Racks. Are the 800s/ 900s getting rehab too? Or what's the deal? The rehabs appear to be going on a garage level and as mentioned by Busjack the hybrids are not part of the rehabs. Plus don't forget that the South Shops heavy maintenance facility is at 77th so this was likely some other maintenance work being done with those two NF buses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted November 7, 2013 Report Share Posted November 7, 2013 I rode NF 1292 and it sounded a lot different than before. Not as much noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
YoungBusLover Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 1594 or 1598 is getting a little sniff of a rehab because it is missing a lot of parts down at 77th. No headlights or tail lights and it has multiple white plates on the rear and side. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 According to the 2014 budget, the rehab buses are supposed to get topodyn, which is an intelligent gear shifting program for transmissions. CTA has used such a transmission in #1930 - #2029. I don't know if this means they will have the digital transmission shifting light on the dash for the transmission, but it sounds like a possibility. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sam92 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I rode NF 1292 and it sounded a lot different than before. Not as much noise. No changes other than that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 No changes other than that? The Clever Device above where the driver sits which is the same as that onboard the 4300s and the look of the priority seats. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted November 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Speaking of #4300's, #4320 has seats with the wheelchair on it for priority seating. I don't think that was on it before Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 Same as 1292. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted November 8, 2013 Report Share Posted November 8, 2013 I don't think new Clever Devices boxes mean the bus has been rehabbed. I was on #1246 this afternoon and it had the new, bigger Clever Devices screen. However, the lighting was still the same florescent lights in them before. I think they are just changing out the Clever Devices in all 1,030 buses as a light rehab, floating rehab, or whatever they might call it.(that could probably be done in a matter of hours and at the home garages of the buses). The 20 DE40LF's might get these new Clever Devices as well. I don't really think the really big "gut" rehabs will start until we get NOVA LFS Series II in 2014, which will mean the six or more New Flyers out of service for a strip down and rebuild won't really be missed. The NOVA LFS Series I will remain in service as substitute and extra buses, at least maybe around 100-200 of them until the rehabs are completed, which should be done by Summer or Fall, 2014. At that point the rehabs should be pretty much done, most of the NOVA LFS Series II will be on CTA property and the "newest" of the NOVA LFS Series I(which start in the 6690's and go to 6883) will have reached the twelve-year mark and be eligible for retirement per FTA requirements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted November 9, 2013 Report Share Posted November 9, 2013 I don't think new Clever Devices boxes mean the bus has been rehabbed. I was on #1246 this afternoon and it had the new, bigger Clever Devices screen. However, the lighting was still the same florescent lights in them before. I think they are just changing out the Clever Devices in all 1,030 buses as a light rehab, floating rehab, or whatever they might call it.(that could probably be done in a matter of hours and at the home garages of the buses). The 20 DE40LF's might get these new Clever Devices as well. I don't really think the really big "gut" rehabs will start until we get NOVA LFS Series II in 2014, which will mean the six or more New Flyers out of service for a strip down and rebuild won't really be missed. The NOVA LFS Series I will remain in service as substitute and extra buses, at least maybe around 100-200 of them until the rehabs are completed, which should be done by Summer or Fall, 2014. At that point the rehabs should be pretty much done, most of the NOVA LFS Series II will be on CTA property and the "newest" of the NOVA LFS Series I(which start in the 6690's and go to 6883) will have reached the twelve-year mark and be eligible for retirement per FTA requirements. Only thing is Bushunter mentioned seeing 1165 with a lot more work done on it than a new Clever Devices monitor that the operators log in to. The new headlights that are supposed to be part of the gut rehabs was part of that work done from what Bushunter said he saw noticeable on that bus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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