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Or you can just catch one downtown just to get it out of the way cause who knows when they'll be at FG? Hopefully soon but still who knows.

True... 10 buses total(9 in service) since June is still pretty shameful, issues with the buses or not. That's my opinion.... two months and nine buses only? The only new bus mentioned on property is 7908, which isn't new(it's been at South Shops since 7/25/14 according to BusHunter's roster. The slow build and delivery of this fleet puzzles me. When will CTA start to get a normal pattern of 4-6 buses/week? It looks like currently we get two every so often, according to the delivery roster linked to above.

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True... 10 buses total(9 in service) since June is still pretty shameful, issues with the buses or not. That's my opinion.... two months and nine buses only? The only new bus mentioned on property is 7908, which isn't new(it's been at South Shops since 7/25/14 according to BusHunter's roster. The slow build and delivery of this fleet puzzles me. When will CTA start to get a normal pattern of 4-6 buses/week? It looks like currently we get two every so often, according to the delivery roster linked to above.

Maybe cta is slow on payments lol but I sure do hope they get the extra 150 along with the 300 they have coming cause if not theyre going to be short on buses. I cant help but think how are they going to replace the 1000 series when its that time for them cause thats a lot of buses to replace with new ones and im more curious as to which company will get the bid. We could assume New Flyer which would be cool with me but I wounder will they switch it up and this time go Nova crazy like they did with New Flyer lol. Just a thought.

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Maybe cta is slow on payments lol but I sure do hope they get the extra 150 along with the 300 they have coming cause if not theyre going to be short on buses. I cant help but think how are they going to replace the 1000 series when its that time for them cause thats a lot of buses to replace with new ones and im more curious as to which company will get the bid. We could assume New Flyer which would be cool with me but I wounder will they switch it up and this time go Nova crazy like they did with New Flyer lol. Just a thought.

Even though the 7900s are better than the 6400s, one would hope they didn't go Nova crazy. They've already gone with Nova for this current order. In my opinion, I hope they go back to New Flyer so we can get some of those Excelsiors beyond the paltry two currently here for the yet to start electric bus test.

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True... 10 buses total(9 in service) since June is still pretty shameful, issues with the buses or not. That's my opinion.... two months and nine buses only? The only new bus mentioned on property is 7908, which isn't new(it's been at South Shops since 7/25/14 according to BusHunter's roster. The slow build and delivery of this fleet puzzles me. When will CTA start to get a normal pattern of 4-6 buses/week? It looks like currently we get two every so often, according to the delivery roster linked to above.

I can't help but wonder if this is going to drag on and on and on. If so CTA would be dumb to execute the 150 bus option. With what's up at septa with them waiting a year past delivery maybe they should be concerned but it's dumb if they can't deliver then who is going to buy all your new buses?
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.... I cant help but think how are they going to replace the 1000 series when its that time for them cause thats a lot of buses to replace with new ones and im more curious as to which company will get the bid. We could assume New Flyer which would be cool with me but I wounder will they switch it up and this time go Nova crazy like they did with New Flyer lol. Just a thought.

Even though the 7900s are better than the 6400s, one would hope they didn't go Nova crazy. They've already gone with Nova for this current order. In my opinion, I hope they go back to New Flyer so we can get some of those Excelsiors beyond the paltry two currently here for the yet to start electric bus test.

In any event, the way things were set up (this being a 5 year contract, and considering FTA service life) this won't be considered at least until 2018. By then, nobody knows what buses will be offered. Could any of you predict in 2009 that NF would be limited to the X series?

Obviously, though CTA got itself in a hole by having over half the fleet coming in, and presumably, leaving about the same time, about the same chaos as when the 4400s, 5300s, and 5800s all croaked at about the same time.

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I can't help but wonder if this is going to drag on and on and on. If so CTA would be dumb to execute the 150 bus option. With what's up at septa with them waiting a year past delivery maybe they should be concerned but it's dumb if they can't deliver then who is going to buy all your new buses?

In a way, it's kind of funny that they did go with Nova again when Nova was late with some of the 6400s, most notably the 6709-6883 set.

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In a way, it's kind of funny that they did go with Nova again when Nova was late with some of the 6400s, most notably the 6709-6883 set.

That set was on time.

Maybe you shoudl go back to the point I made in the last sentence of my previous post. Kruesi's original plan was to order 150 buses a year, so that the fleet would turn over at a constant rate during the 12 year life cycle. The 2000 order essentially showed up in 2001, but the 2002 order showed up when it was supposed to under that plan.

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In any event, the way things were set up (this being a 5 year contract, and considering FTA service life) this won't be considered at least until 2018. By then, nobody knows what buses will be offered. Could any of you predict in 2009 that NF would be limited to the X series?

Obviously, though CTA got itself in a hole by having over half the fleet coming in, and presumably, leaving about the same time, about the same chaos as when the 4400s, 5300s, and 5800s all croaked at about the same time.

Which is pretty much what I was getting at. The Xcelsior looks like a pretty good bus from a sturdiness and aesthetic point of view. From the way CTa has set up its procurements between the 1990s and now, it is a possibility most of us won't experience an Xcelsior ride without having to do so on another TA's system unless New Flyer offers the Xcelsior for the same amount of time as the LF was offered and CTA does go with New Flyer as the vendor to replace at least part of the 1000 fleet given if's safe to say 1000s aren't going to hit retirement age all at the same time since their delivery was spread out over about three years.

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That set was on time.

Maybe you shoudl go back to the point I made in the last sentence of my previous post. Kruesi's original plan was to order 150 buses a year, so that the fleet would turn over at a constant rate during the 12 year life cycle. The 2000 order essentially showed up in 2001, but the 2002 order showed up when it was supposed to under that plan.

Then CTA botched it somehow in retiring the last remaining 9800s which were at FG and requiring MAN 4000s to fill in during the few month gap between the 9800s' retirement from revenue service and when Novas got placed at FG. That's unless the 9800s were in worse shape than we thought.

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.... if's safe to say 1000s aren't going to hit retirement age all at the same time since their delivery was spread out over about three years.

It is one thing to replace 450 buses over 3 years (the 6400s schedule) and replacing 1050 over 3 years. If one accepts the 1000s rehab reports as accurate, there doesn't seem to be any pattern, so, like the 4400s, 5300s, and 5800s, buses are going to need to be replaced, over a comparatively short period, whenever they fall apart.

If Kruesi's original theory had been followed, replacing the 1000s should have taken 7 years, not 3.

Then CTA botched it somehow in retiring the last remaining 9800s which were at FG and requiring MAN 4000s to fill in during the few month gap between the 9800s' retirement from revenue service and when Novas got placed at FG. That's unless the 9800s were in worse shape than we thought.

Apparently the plan was to replace many of the MANs with artics., just like now there is the debate whether the amount of 7900s will be sufficient to replace the Novas, or does CTA contemplate either ordering the 150 options or awarding the artic contract. Neither would probably bear fruit (in the sense of buses on the street) until at least late 2016.

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It was like that yesterday when I rode it on the 52A. But when the doors open it still said the right route and called out the streets. Should be an easy fix for the mechanics lol.

This is not such an easy fix. Sign is not getting information from Clever Devices login. This seems fairly common. In fact, so far most 7900's I have personally seen have had wrong sign displays, including several with "not in service". One part of the bus is no longer communicating with another part. Clever Devices techs will have to figure this one out.

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It was like that yesterday when I rode it on the 52A. But when the doors open it still said the right route and called out the streets. Should be an easy fix for the mechanics lol.

There are multiple pieces to this puzzle. When driver logs in, the login activates a multitude of separate programs. One sets signs, another sets audible announcements, another sets interior next-stop display, another shows on the login-screen the next stop, yet another shows schedule adherence on the screen (early or late), yet another shows time, while still another activates the Ventra driver display with route number and driver number, while a separate one activates the passenger-side Ventra reader. Each of these is an independent program, and any one can go haywire without affecting the others. For instance, you can have everything except the "next stop" announcements, or everything except the schedule adherence display. This has become very, very complex, and Clever Devices has techs at the garages every day dealing with glitches in individual buses.

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There are multiple pieces to this puzzle. When driver logs in, the login activates a multitude of separate programs. One sets signs, another sets audible announcements, another sets interior next-stop display, another shows on the login-screen the next stop, yet another shows schedule adherence on the screen (early or late), yet another shows time, while still another activates the Ventra driver display with route number and driver number, while a separate one activates the passenger-side Ventra reader. Each of these is an independent program, and any one can go haywire without affecting the others. For instance, you can have everything except the "next stop" announcements, or everything except the schedule adherence display. This has become very, very complex, and Clever Devices has techs at the garages every day dealing with glitches in individual buses.

Oh ok thanks for the info I had no idea it was that complicated.

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Hope this wasn't a 7900-Series Nova, otherwise it'll be out of action for a little while...

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Anyone able to check in on this in the next couple days?

With no pictures of what happened and no further info about the accident, no one can say for sure what the damage was or any what the prognosis for possible length of downtime of the bus in question might be.

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With no pictures of what happened and no further info about the accident, no one can say for sure what the damage was or any what the prognosis for possible length of downtime of the bus in question might be.

Well, being a U-Haul truck, the damage may be enough to put the bus out of service for a bit(bit meaning a few days/weeks). Even if it's a E-Super Duty U-Haul or especially if it's a larger truck. Maybe garmon can watch the South Shops yard for any 77th garage bus that recently turns up damaged.

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Well, being a U-Haul truck, the damage may be enough to put the bus out of service for a bit(bit meaning a few days/weeks). Even if it's a E-Super Duty U-Haul or especially if it's a larger truck. Maybe garmon can watch the South Shops yard for any 77th garage bus that recently turns up damaged.

It depends on the size of the truck, the speed involved, as well as the angle of the collision. So again we don't know without more information. Given that U-Haul trucks come in different sizes, just going on the fact that it was a U-Haul is not enough to go too far in speculating. Anyway, the more important thing is that hopefully the injuries of the people involved in the accident were not too severe.

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It depends on the size of the truck, the speed involved, as well as the angle of the collision. So again we don't know without more information. Given that U-Haul trucks come in different sizes, just going on the fact that it was a U-Haul is not enough to go too far in speculating. Anyway, the more important thing is that hopefully the injuries of the people involved in the accident were not too severe.

I agree... I didn't mention the injured, but was not oblivious to them.

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