More Bus Moves

[artthouwill]

6 hours ago, jtrussel said:

As far as the 1000s new flyers go did has the process of rebuilding those select few hundred began. I see they want to keep those until 2029 the latest. My main question is it really worth putting a 100+ million dollars into busses that are already closing in on the 20 yr mark. CTA wanted to retire the first batch of 1000s (2006-7) models but those are the least affected by rust. We can all see the 2008-9 flyers are being retired due to rust. As much as I like the 1000s hey have served heir ime well and that money should go to new busses. I feel he cta just throws away money they did the 6000 flxibles he same most were only a couple years out of rehab and then was mothballed and retired. I could be wrong what are your guys thoughts

The problem is that CTA is not in a position to order a large number of electric buses.  They can't keep the few electrics they do have on the street consistently.   I've been saying they should do one more diesel or hybrid bus order but they would need to do it quickly.    Since federal law mandates zero emission fleets by 2040, it wouldn't make sense to buy diesel vehicles after 2026 because they would only get minimal use of of those vehicles   Meantime stretching out the life of 400 vehicles gives them a chance to incrementally increase their electric fleet while  the 7900s and 8350s will last until 2035 and up to 2039  before being retired.

 

To add to @jajuan  "s post, CTA and the State boxed themselves in by ordinances and state law making the 8350s the last diesel orders.    

[Tcmetro]

CTA has known for several years now that electric buses will cost billions of dollars in garage upgrades and haven't made much progress on that front. What's going to happen is that there will be hundreds of buses on the street that are 20+ years old until real money is put in place to make electric a reality.

[Busjack]

26 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

..   Since federal law mandates zero emission fleets by 2040...

No, it doesn't. It only requires that if a TA wants a Low/No grant, it has to have a transition plan.

Otherwise I agree with you and @jajuan.

6 hours ago, jtrussel said:

... As much as I like the 1000s hey have served heir ime well and that money should go to new busses. I feel he cta just throws away money...

The 2025 Budget has:

That comes out to $272,000 per bus, with an electric bus with charger (not to mention garage and other infrastructure) being about $1.5 million a bus, and even a hybrid being over $1 million (according to Pace). So, that's not too bad.

[jajuan]

Apparently the guys in bus operations changed their minds about the lower 1000s that initially went from NP to 103rd. They operated out of 103rd during the weekend and Monday. Then from Christmas Eve on into this morning, those that have been on the road have been running out of 77th. 

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

2 hours ago, jajuan said:

Apparently the guys in bus operations changed their minds about the lower 1000s that initially went from NP to 103rd. They operated out of 103rd during the weekend and Monday. Then from Christmas Eve on into this morning, those that have been on the road have been running out of 77th. 

some 1200’s also made their way to 103rd 

[Mr.cta85]

For some reason all of 74th 8350’s are sidelined. Not sure if it’s for new fare box installations cause we’re the next garage to get them or they’re about to go to another garage lol we’ll see.

[artthouwill]

2 hours ago, Mr.cta85 said:

For some reason all of 74th 8350’s are sidelined. Not sure if it’s for new datebook installations cause we’re the next garage to get them or they’re about to go to another garage lol we’ll see.

Maybe the last 100 Novas get split between 74th and 77th?

[YoungBusLover]

On 12/23/2024 at 9:01 PM, Mr.cta85 said:

So what did 74th get in exchange for losing 8000-8009?

As of right now nothing.

[Bus1883]

1321 is out of 103rd on the 15. Looked up its tracker history it’s been there since last month the 12th

[renardo870]

On 1/4/2025 at 2:29 PM, Bus1883 said:

1321 is out of 103rd on the 15. Looked up its tracker history it’s been there since last month the 12th

I saw 1321 on the 6 last Thursday evening going NB at Michigan and Wacker. 

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

1631 is temporarily at 74th for a farebox upgrade. Operated on the 49/X49 during the PM hours today.

[YoungBusLover]

#1212 has popped up at 74th this morning as a potential BOL (Bus on Loan) related to farebox upgrades on the rest of the fleet over there.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

1 hour ago, YoungBusLover said:

#1212 has popped up at 74th this morning as a potential BOL (Bus on Loan) related to farebox upgrades on the rest of the fleet over there.

I saw 1212 and 7919 with old fareboxes this week

[YoungBusLover]

1 hour ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

I saw 1212 and 7919 with old fareboxes this week

The point I'm making is throughout this entire process every garage at some point has loaned equipment while there fleet is getting upgraded. Whether it's a bus with a new farebox or not.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

5 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

The point I'm making is throughout this entire process every garage at some point has loaned equipment while there fleet is getting upgraded. Whether it's a bus with a new farebox or not.

Yes but that was my observations I saw that I noted as well

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

1900 and 1902 have made their way back to Chicago garage, bringing 1000 and 1001 back out west too.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

1200 and 1227 (so far) are now at Kedzie from 103rd.

[Ghoul]

On this edition of random bus moves, 103rd unloaded some of their 12s to Kedzie and I’m speculating 1321 is at K too

so far Kedzie has 1200, 1206-1207, 1209, 1227 

1201, 1208, 1214, 1220 and 1321 are currently OOS from 3

[Chammon Moore]

2 hours ago, Ghoul said:

On this edition of random bus moves, 103rd unloaded some of their 12s to Kedzie and I’m speculating 1321 is at K too

so far Kedzie has 1200, 1206-1207, 1209, 1227 

1201, 1208, 1214, 1220 and 1321 are currently OOS from 3

1321 didn’t move it’s currently on the 6

[Ghoul]

12 minutes ago, Chammon Moore said:

1321 didn’t move it’s currently on the 6

Sir… it got replaced by 1138… 🤦‍♂️

[Chammon Moore]

56 minutes ago, Ghoul said:

Sir… it got replaced by 1138… 🤦‍♂️

Still didn't move

1321 6: Jackson Park Express 6 -155 1 (103rd)

[artthouwill]

3 minutes ago, Chammon Moore said:

Still didn't move

1321 6: Jackson Park Express 6 -155 1 (103rd)

I think he was trying to say 1138 went to K instead of 1321, not 1138 replacing 1321 at 103rd.

[Chammon Moore]

23 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

I think he was trying to say 1138 went to K instead of 1321, not 1138 replacing 1321 at 103rd.

Ohhhh but 1138 still at 103rd

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, Chammon Moore said:

Ohhhh but 1138 still at 103rd

Welp!

[Policeman]

4000 4005 & 4011 are at 103rd