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[Busjack]

(#1) Since we are back to stirring the pot, I originally did not say it was racism. But I did say it was a possibility. ...(#2) Busjack has mentioned that a rehabbed bus is a new bus. ...

I implied #1 was reverse racism, or at least catering to the big mouths. From the "on the street" interviews about snow plowing, people on the north side seem to take stuff more (i.e. they interviewed "Emanuel's neighbors in Ravenswood."

I don't recall ever saying #2. I do recall sw taking too much from the "stripped to the frame" language in the press release. But I certainly am not going to contend that a bus with a 2006 engine rebuilt off site is the same as a bus with a 2014 EPA engine.

[Mr.cta85]

Wow guys lol getting back on the subject of this thread, I saw 6796 I believe as a 62 yesterday so my originl thoughts of 74th being an all amber LED sign garage seems more than a assumption lol that's probably exactly what they're doing.

[Busjack]

on the subject of 6000's being at 74th, I remember it was so bad that 103rd had to trade some of their #1000's for some #6000's back like 2-3 years before the retirement. I was a feshman in high shool so like 2007-2008. maybe the same will happen with FG

The best that could be figured out at the time was that 74th was announced as the all BusTracker garage, and it had all 6000s, so we assumed the two were connected, as 99% of the 5300s and 4400s were not going to get the cell phone link needed to run BusTracker. There was a newspaper report slobbering over what a good job the 74th supervisor was doing maintaining service on Halsted, to which a comment was that Halsted was being transferred to Kedzie in a couple of weeks.

Then, after the BusTracker situation settled down, there were swaps with 103 and C to get 74th some NFs (other than the buses in the 1730s, which we assumed were to replace an equivalent number of 6000s that appeared to be prematurely off the roster).

As this indicates, incidents like this draw me to the conclusion that the gossip that 77th was going to get all of the 7900s was unfounded (and last weekend proven to be so) and that FG is either going to get nothing or everything over 8020 is also unfounded in the short term.

Now, with Mr cta 85 popping up that it looks like 74th is going to be all amber, unless 77th drove them into the ground when they were transferred there from FG, I don't see the point, as they will have to be transferred somewhere else when the 8000s start rolling in.

[busfan2847]

6400 at FG as of Fri 1/30 on 92. 6405, 6418, others?

Out of the 6400-6423 batch, which was at 6, I have 6400/1/3/5/6/8, 6410/1/3/5/7/9, 6421/2/3 reported at F

6402/4/9/12/4/6/8/20 as withdrawn

6407 is the only one not accounted for, I have been checking Busfinder since 1/16 and have not seen it in service.

Other Novas not "seen" in this period, (excluding ones reported to be withdrawn listed below), are 6560(F), 6602(F), 6616(6), 6621/43(6>F), 6686(6), 6735/42/86(F), 6839/71(F>6)

Other withdrawn Novas which have been reported are 6450/63/9/76/87/94, 6522/7/31/40/68/96/7, 6607/10/2/31/47/55/93, 6709/26/38/41/9, 6832

[Mr.cta85]

Have anybody seen 1057? Im not sure where the heck that bus is anymore. It was at 103rd for a while but I'm starting to think it went back to 77th. I see 1047-48 and 50 all the time but 1057 it's been a min since I seen that bus.

[andrethebusman]

Over weekend 11/31-2/1:

74th = 6794-6815,6817,6818 = 27 moves

Forest Glen = 6400,6401,6403,6405,6406,6411,6413,6417,6421,6422,6474,6475,6477,6478,6597-6599,6677-6682,6684,6685,6692 = 24 moves

It would appear FG will get its entire fleet swapped with 74th pretty soon. Why, though??

[busfan2847]

Have anybody seen 1057? Im not sure where the heck that bus is anymore. It was at 103rd for a while but I'm starting to think it went back to 77th. I see 1047-48 and 50 all the time but 1057 it's been a min since I seen that bus.

According to Busfinder (http://busfinder.byronasaurus.com/) it is on the 79 at present so is back at 77th.

[Mr.cta85]

According to Busfinder (http://busfinder.byronasaurus.com/) it is on the 79 at present so is back at 77th.

Oh ok I kinda figured that, thanks buddy

[andrethebusman]

You can add 6408, 6410, 6415, 6419, 6423 to FG. Arrived late last week (circa 1/29-30)

It seems somebody has decided that FG can keep Novas in good shape, so let's send them as many as we can to fix up. There is an unofficial campaign going on at FG, drivers are told to write defect tickets on the new arrivals, and they WILL be taken care of. Back about 1981, something similar happened when 77th fleet of 5307's was swapped out with several garages so that those garages could fix what 77th had let get fouled up. FG had buses in the 1080's thru low 1100's sent over for "fixup".

[artthouwill]

You can add 6408, 6410, 6415, 6419, 6423 to FG. Arrived late last week (circa 1/29-30)

It seems somebody has decided that FG can keep Novas in good shape, so let's send them as many as we can to fix up. There is an unofficial campaign going on at FG, drivers are told to write defect tickets on the new arrivals, and they WILL be taken care of. Back about 1981, something similar happened when 77th fleet of 5307's was swapped out with several garages so that those garages could fix what 77th had let get fouled up. FG had buses in the 1080's thru low 1100's sent over for "fixup".

Are you saying that 77th's maintenance is shabby? If so, is it because of incompetence or is that garage so service heavy that buses can't stay in to get repaired? North Park is also a garage with heavy route service and its buses seem to stay in great shape especially since they get a lot of new equipment too.

[Guest]

Over weekend 11/31-2/1:

74th = 6794-6815,6817,6818 = 27 moves

Forest Glen = 6400,6401,6403,6405,6406,6411,6413,6417,6421,6422,6474,6475,6477,6478,6597-6599,6677-6682,6684,6685,6692 = 24 moves

It would appear FG will get its entire fleet swapped with 74th pretty soon. Why, though??

Thats what were wondering Andre! Why is FG getting all the junk Novas??? I spoke to a couple of operators there. They are pissed! It ridiculous!

[BusHunter]

Over weekend 11/31-2/1:

74th = 6794-6815,6817,6818 = 27 moves

Forest Glen = 6400,6401,6403,6405,6406,6411,6413,6417,6421,6422,6474,6475,6477,6478,6597-6599,6677-6682,6684,6685,6692 = 24 moves

It would appear FG will get its entire fleet swapped with 74th pretty soon. Why, though??

So you guys have become south shops north. #6795 was on central on sunday. So I wonder if some of those gaps mean retired buses? #6683 was on the #152 on the weekend. #6816, #6407, #6423 I haven't seen but I was unaware they got #6597-99, #6685 and #6692. They must be so bad they are not leaving the yard. FG is running in surplus mode if that's the case, they should be in the high 260's, when they really only need 253.

Yeah unfortunately an all amber 74th is coming, that's the only thing that makes sense if this makes sense??? Why?? probably because the 74th guys can't hold there wad long enough and have to jump the gun. If they just relax they won't have to worry about old novas in a few months. Since FG is the repair center, it's no doubt that they might have some sway in what gets retired if it's deemed unfixable or too expensive to worry about. The real question here is why is CTA worried about keeping and fixing old junks when they should be just retiring them?

[busfan2847]

So you guys have become south shops north. #6795 was on central on sunday. So I wonder if some of those gaps mean retired buses? #6683 was on the #152 on the weekend. #6816, #6407, #6423 I haven't seen but I was unaware they got #6597-99, #6685 and #6692. They must be so bad they are not leaving the yard. FG is running in surplus mode if that's the case, they should be in the high 260's, when they really only need 253.

Yeah unfortunately an all amber 74th is coming, that's the only thing that makes sense if this makes sense??? Why?? probably because the 74th guys can't hold there wad long enough and have to jump the gun. If they just relax they won't have to worry about old novas in a few months. Since FG is the repair center, it's no doubt that they might have some sway in what gets retired if it's deemed unfixable or too expensive to worry about. The real question here is why is CTA worried about keeping and fixing old junks when they should be just retiring them?

6816 was on the 54A yesterday, 6423 was on the 85 last Wednesday, 6599 was on the 85 yesterday, 6692 was on the 80 yesterday, 6597 was reported retired to South Shops last November by Bushunter.

6407 may be withdrawn, 6598 and 6685 were in service on 74th St routes last week.

[BusHunter]

6816 was on the 54A yesterday, 6423 was on the 85 last Wednesday, 6599 was on the 85 yesterday, 6692 was on the 80 yesterday, 6597 was reported retired to South Shops last November by Bushunter.

6407 may be withdrawn, 6598 and 6685 were in service on 74th St routes last week.

Wow, your keeping better track of this than I am!! Yeah, i have to plead the 5th amendment on #6597. It's status is questionable. But in my defense I would have to blame Garmon because he told me it was retired. (I think)

[NewFlyerMCI]

Not really a move, but I just saw #4397 pull into NP, headsign said 56 to Jeff Park

[jajuan]

Since we are back to stirring the pot, I originally did not say it was racism. But I did say it was a possibility. That might have changed after it hit the fan. But since we are comparing garages and service areas Englewood and Jackson Park has never had the oldest rail cars. You fail to acknowledge that. Your buddies on the NW side did though even back then. Another difference the #6300's were the newest #6000's, a comfort that we soon won't have on the north side. We're down to 1/4 of the newest fleet of post #6709's from 98 percent. Your buddies on the NW side shared those same buses that you were mired with, so we were in the same boat, plus the #6000's you got were rehabbed and Busjack has mentioned that a rehabbed bus is a new bus. The #6400's are unrehabbed. Soon you won't be sharing the 2000 era novas with us because you will have moved two generations ahead. I don't know how long 74th had all the #6000's, but Fg is working on a year with a year to come most likely. So two years. Can you say that? Sorry but the two don't compare.

Looking at the #6000's lifetime in service roster 74th only had an all #6000 fleet for 6-7 months. Sorry FG has just about done twice that and is slated to do 3 times that. But as usual you have overblown the facts.

And yet we want to forget that FG forked all its 5300s on Kedzie for just about all Kedzie's 6000s at a time when the 6000s were not even close to retirement age. I didn't fail to acknowledge anything. As we agreed, FG's current situation is absolutely stupid, it's situation is still a TEMPORARY one. 74th's was not planned to be. It was originally meant to be more permanent. True FG also had 6000s, but it had relatively new 6400s to fall back on. Just as FG also contended with a high number of 6000s along with 74th, this time around 74th is also doing the same with FG when it comes to the 6400s. Speaking of 6400s, it can be argued that Americana garages got passed over for 6400s in favor of FG though 6400s at the time were being pushed as being the replacements to the Americanas. And you're right there is no comparison, but from the standpoint that folks were not beating the deadhorse that 74th got the short end at the time as much as we're seeing this FG/NW side deadhorse beat over the forum several times over already when we all get it and have said several times over that we get it and also agree with that point. And for the umpteenth time it's not just the northwest side that has to contend with that crappy equipment. It's the west side, Oak Park and a part of Forest Park when it comes to the Blue Line. And it's most of the north side on the bus side of things considering FG runs all the east-west bus routes from Diversey up to Peterson. Yet somehow, we keep hearing it's only the northwest side dealing with older aging equipment. So who's overblowing facts here since that accusation wants to get thrown out?

[BusHunter]

Oh no, more pot stirring. I thought we had enough of this. The NW side comprises of all areas north and west and the west side is 95 percent chicago and kedzie. I'm sorry that you have to hear these complaints but it's about accurate if you compare the lengths of time both garages were in the crapper. It's actually reassuing that I'm not alone in this.Not that CTA will change it's ways. It will do what it wants and we can't control that. All I can say is if FG does get some #8200's and not just #1000's then maybe they are not geographically biased. But I haven't seen evidence in that in 8 years. CTA has to prove it can do the right thing and all this will go away. If not it just festers.

[jajuan]

The best that could be figured out at the time was that 74th was announced as the all BusTracker garage, and it had all 6000s, so we assumed the two were connected, as 99% of the 5300s and 4400s were not going to get the cell phone link needed to run BusTracker. There was a newspaper report slobbering over what a good job the 74th supervisor was doing maintaining service on Halsted, to which a comment was that Halsted was being transferred to Kedzie in a couple of weeks.

Then, after the BusTracker situation settled down, there were swaps with 103 and C to get 74th some NFs (other than the buses in the 1730s, which we assumed were to replace an equivalent number of 6000s that appeared to be prematurely off the roster).

As this indicates, incidents like this draw me to the conclusion that the gossip that 77th was going to get all of the 7900s was unfounded (and last weekend proven to be so) and that FG is either going to get nothing or everything over 8020 is also unfounded in the short term.

Now, with Mr cta 85 popping up that it looks like 74th is going to be all amber, unless 77th drove them into the ground when they were transferred there from FG, I don't see the point, as they will have to be transferred somewhere else when the 8000s start rolling in.

Actually that three way swap to get 74th more 1000s beyond the initial 30 was 40 each NFs from K and C to 74th for a similar amount each of 6000s to K and C for a grand total of 80 6000s moved out of 74th. The transfer of 6000s to 103rd from 74th came after that swap that got 74th more NFs and happened in April 2009 based on BusHunter's retired bus lifetime assignments info.

[busfan2847]

Not really a move, but I just saw #4397 pull into NP, headsign said 56 to Jeff Park

From 16th Dec 2012 NP has a minority share of the 56. Seems to be used to get artics to and from downtown.

[jajuan]

Oh no, more pot stirring. I thought we had enough of this. The NW side comprises of all areas north and west and the west side is 95 percent chicago and kedzie. I'm sorry that you have to hear these complaints but it's about accurate if you compare the lengths of time both garages were in the crapper. It's actually reassuing that I'm not alone in this.Not that CTA will change it's ways. It will do what it wants and we can't control that. All I can say is if FG does get some #8200's and not just #1000's then maybe they are not geographically biased. But I haven't seen evidence in that in 8 years. CTA has to prove it can do the right thing and all this will go away. If not it just festers.

Hey as you said to Garmon a few days ago, freedom of speech, meaning I'm not always going to agree with you. So sorry you have to hear me disagree with you that only FG has ever been in the crapper for a significant amount of time when it comes to equipment especially when 4400s and 5300s get counted in the mix being that those were both retirement age when CTA knocked off the last Americanas and 7300s. And as I said, this time around unlike was the case for 74th, at least almost everyone agrees that stocking all retirement eligible buses at one garage in this case FG is downright stupid. And yes it sucks that it might be a possibility of it being next near before FG sees something different than 6400s on a regular basis for the first time since February of last year.

[andrethebusman]

Wow, your keeping better track of this than I am!! Yeah, i have to plead the 5th amendment on #6597. It's status is questionable. But in my defense I would have to blame Garmon because he told me it was retired. (I think)

As of 2/3, following 38 are out of service: 6402, 6404, 6407, 6409, 6412, 6414, 6416, 6418, 6420, 6450, 6463, 6469, 6476, 6491, 6522, 6527, 6531, 6540, 6568, 6595, 6596, 6607, 6610, 6612, 6614, 6616, 6631, 6647, 6655, 6693, 6709, 6723, 6726, 6738, 6741, 6749, 6777, 6832

As of 2/3 following assigned (minus those listed above in the interest of saving space):

6400-6423 FG

6424-6467 C

6468-6473 74

6474-6478 FG

6479-6488 74

6489-6490 FG

6492-6497 C

6498-6520 FG

6521-6525 C

6526-6529 FG

6530 C

6532 FG

6533-6537 C

6538 FG

6539-6550 C

6551 FG

6552-6554 C

6555-6557 FG

6558-6559 C

6560-6659 FG

6660-6664 C

6665-6682 FG

6683 74

6684-6685 FG

6686-6691 74

6692 FG

6694-6696 74

6697-6793 FG

6794-6815 74

6816 FG

6817-6883 74

Personally I expect to see more of the Chicago 64-6500's coming to FG in exchange for 6600's and the last 24 64-6600's from 74th to FG for 6700's. This will likely happen within a week or two.

[garmon757]

As of 2/1, following 38 are out of service: 6402, 6404, 6407, 6409, 6412, 6414, 6416, 6418, 6420, 6450, 6463, 6469, 6476, 6491, 6522, 6527, 6531, 6540, 6568, 6595, 6596, 6607, 6610, 6612, 6614, 6616, 6631, 6647, 6655, 6693, 6709, 6723, 6726, 6738, 6741, 6749, 6777, 6832

Add #6744 and #6833 to the list.

[YoungBusLover]

Could #6677 be a possible retirement addition?

[jajuan]

As of 2/3, following 38 are out of service: 6402, 6404, 6407, 6409, 6412, 6414, 6416, 6418, 6420, 6450, 6463, 6469, 6476, 6491, 6522, 6527, 6531, 6540, 6568, 6595, 6596, 6607, 6610, 6612, 6614, 6616, 6631, 6647, 6655, 6693, 6709, 6723, 6726, 6738, 6741, 6749, 6777, 6832

As of 2/3 following assigned (minus those listed above in the interest of saving space):

6400-6423 FG

6424-6467 C

6468-6473 74

6474-6478 FG

6479-6488 74

6489-6490 FG

6492-6497 C

6498-6520 FG

6521-6525 C

6526-6529 FG

6530 C

6532 FG

6533-6537 C

6538 FG

6539-6550 C

6551 FG

6552-6554 C

6555-6557 FG

6558-6559 C

6560-6659 FG

6660-6664 C

6665-6682 FG

6683 74

6684-6685 FG

6686-6691 74

6692 FG

6694-6696 74

6697-6793 FG

6794-6815 74

6816 FG

6817-6883 74

Personally I expect to see more of the Chicago 64-6500's coming to FG in exchange for 6600's and the last 24 64-6600's from 74th to FG for 6700's. This will likely happen within a week or two.

It's interesting how so many retirements are still coming from the middle part and higher ends of the overall remaining roster.

[andrethebusman]

Could #6677 be a possible retirement addition?

I think at this point any "major" road failure will be fatal.