rotjohns Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 Presenting bus #12402 on the 715. An all white bus with a green stripe on the sides and what appears to be a Pace bus sticker towards the rear, almost like they slapped it on. No route number sign on the back of the bus, but route info are on both sides. This also appears to be a 35 foot bus as it's bigger than the current Eldos, old and new. This was seen this morning, but as of now, it's not reflected on the tracker as of yet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 1:01 PM, rotjohns said: Presenting bus #12402 on the 715. An all white bus with a green stripe on the sides and what appears to be a Pace bus sticker towards the rear, almost like they slapped it on. No route number sign on the back of the bus, but route info are on both sides. This also appears to be a 35 foot bus as it's bigger than the current Eldos, old and new. This was seen this morning, but as of now, it's not reflected on the tracker as of yet. Expand Must be one of the two buses Dekalb transferred to Pace to avoid penalties to the federal government for not needing them before the expiration of their service life. I couldn't find the reference on Pace's site, but Dekalb's resolution is here. Good find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NewFlyerMCI Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 1:01 PM, rotjohns said: Presenting bus #12402 on the 715. An all white bus with a green stripe on the sides and what appears to be a Pace bus sticker towards the rear, almost like they slapped it on. No route number sign on the back of the bus, but route info are on both sides. This also appears to be a 35 foot bus as it's bigger than the current Eldos, old and new. This was seen this morning, but as of now, it's not reflected on the tracker as of yet. Expand This is the Pace equivalent of the Marvel baseball cap & sunglasses "disguise" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjohns Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 6:58 PM, NewFlyerMCI said: This is the Pace equivalent of the Marvel baseball cap & sunglasses "disguise" Expand I wonder if these two will be wrapped like the old 2003 NABIs were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erin Mishkin Jr. Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 Is there a 12401 there too? Since i am pretty sure there would be two if this one’s 12402 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 8, 2022 Report Share Posted February 8, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 10:13 PM, Erin Mishkin Jr. said: Is there a 12401 there too? Since i am pretty sure there would be two if this one’s 12402 Expand Should be a 40 footer. There is a little more background in the memo to the city manager. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chicagocubs6323 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 1:01 PM, rotjohns said: Presenting bus #12402 on the 715. An all white bus with a green stripe on the sides and what appears to be a Pace bus sticker towards the rear, almost like they slapped it on. No route number sign on the back of the bus, but route info are on both sides. This also appears to be a 35 foot bus as it's bigger than the current Eldos, old and new. This was seen this morning, but as of now, it's not reflected on the tracker as of yet. Expand What garage is this out of? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 3:59 PM, chicagocubs6323 said: What garage is this out of? Expand It is with MV Batavia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 The four ElDorado buses the City of DeKalb purchased were operated by Voluntary Access Center, DeKalb, however from 1/1/21 Paratransit provision moved to Transdev who operate Huskie Lines. https://vacdk.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/Passenger-Communication-Final.pdf Route 21 is a local route in Sycamore. The Huskie line roster on CPTB dated 9/2021 does not show any of the four owned. Perhaps all 4 are with Pace 12400/1 40', 12402/3 35'? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/8/2022 at 4:12 PM, Busjack said: Must be one of the two buses Dekalb transferred to Pace to avoid penalties to the federal government for not needing them before the expiration of their service life. I couldn't find the reference on Pace's site, but Dekalb's resolution is here. Good find. Expand Pace 831 reported on 1/15/20 that:- "Pace will be acquiring two OTR coaches from the City of DeKalb, according to the January board meeting." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted February 9, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 4:56 PM, busfan2847 said: Pace 831 reported on 1/15/20 that:- "Pace will be acquiring two OTR coaches from the City of DeKalb, according to the January board meeting." Expand That would have been 2 years ago? The buses currently being discussed are transit buses and someone posted a picture of one of those 2 transit buses recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 9, 2022 Report Share Posted February 9, 2022 On 2/9/2022 at 4:36 PM, busfan2847 said: The four ElDorado buses the City of DeKalb purchased were operated by Voluntary Access Center, DeKalb, however from 1/1/21 Paratransit provision moved to Transdev who operate Huskie Lines. ... The Huskie line roster on CPTB dated 9/2021 does not show any of the four owned. Perhaps all 4 are with Pace 12400/1 40', 12402/3 35'? Expand The memo I cited said they had 4 buses, but that these 2 were unnecessary, and TransDev didn't want them because they had Gilligs. Searching the DeKalb website didn't indicate any disposition of the other 2 buses. On 2/9/2022 at 6:05 PM, artthouwill said: That would have been 2 years ago? The buses currently being discussed are transit buses and someone posted a picture of one of those 2 transit buses recently. Expand 2 years ago seems about right. The last mention on the DeKalb website was Jan, 2020, and nothing about them has been heard until recently. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 Seems weird acquiring a bus that is already 10 years old. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted February 10, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 2:05 AM, BusHunter said: Seems weird acquiring a bus that is already 10 years old. Expand They can get 2 years out of them for cheap, maybe even longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 10, 2022 Report Share Posted February 10, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 2:05 AM, BusHunter said: Seems weird acquiring a bus that is already 10 years old. Expand 1. As art pointed out, at the time they were 8 years old. 2. This is just a service life play. Pace didn't pay anything for the buses; it was just a way for DeKalb to avoid having to repay approx. $325K to the Feds because Pace is an FTA recipient that presumably would use the buses. Sort of the same as NY MTA unloading its Grummans on NJT. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjohns Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 On 2/10/2022 at 3:53 PM, Busjack said: 1. As art pointed out, at the time they were 8 years old. 2. This is just a service life play. Pace didn't pay anything for the buses; it was just a way for DeKalb to avoid having to repay approx. $325K to the Feds because Pace is an FTA recipient that presumably would use the buses. Sort of the same as NY MTA unloading its Grummans on NJT. Expand And given it's at MV Batavia, which now only has 2 active routes (they had more pre-pandemic) and only runs M-F, should be fine for a bit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 11, 2022 Report Share Posted February 11, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 2:02 PM, rotjohns said: And given it's at MV Batavia, which now only has 2 active routes (they had more pre-pandemic) and only runs M-F, should be fine for a bit. Expand Which makes me wonder why Pace sent them the bus, since some buses originally assigned to the Westmont-Clarendon Hills contract are on the tracker for 715. @rotjohnsis there a big shift change at Argonne that indicated a need for a bit bigger bus? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rotjohns Posted February 15, 2022 Report Share Posted February 15, 2022 On 2/11/2022 at 4:19 PM, Busjack said: Which makes me wonder why Pace sent them the bus, since some buses originally assigned to the Westmont-Clarendon Hills contract are on the tracker for 715. @rotjohnsis there a big shift change at Argonne that indicated a need for a bit bigger bus? Expand My inclining is no. When I captured that bus, it was in the Brookhaven Shopping Center in Darien at 6:30 am, which is the ending point if it doesn't go to Argonne. The next 2 buses after that go to Argonne and they would've been 2600s. So can't imagine that's the reason. And looking into the tracker this morning, 12402 is not on there, but it's all 2600s (3 on 715 as normal and 2 on 711 as normal). So I don't see the justification of putting a 35-footer there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted February 18, 2022 Report Share Posted February 18, 2022 12401,12402 CC084071,4073 ex Voluntary Action Center DeKalb as of 7/21/20, assigned Highland Park per Pace. Interesting they are NOT on 1/1/22 roster but Pace did admit to them on a supplemental request. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/18/2022 at 11:40 PM, andrethebusman said: 12401,12402 CC084071,4073 ex Voluntary Action Center DeKalb as of 7/21/20, assigned Highland Park per Pace. Interesting they are NOT on 1/1/22 roster but Pace did admit to them on a supplemental request. Expand The only conceivable use would be for Ravinia. Certainly not for fixed routes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
busfan2847 Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 4:14 PM, Busjack said: The only conceivable use would be for Ravinia. Certainly not for fixed routes. Expand See top of Page 12402, the 35' one, has been used by MV Batavia on the 715. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 6:06 PM, busfan2847 said: See top of Page 12402, the 35' one, has been used by MV Batavia on the 715. Expand Again, we know that. We were commenting on Andre apparently doing a FOIA to determine where they were rostered for the 2 years before that. Now, if you can tell us where 12401 has been........... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 Only thing I can say is that as of this Friday 2/18 they are considered to be assigned Highland Park. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted February 19, 2022 Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 https://www.facebook.com/236367307286227/posts/902656000657351/ Full fleet changeover? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
artthouwill Posted February 19, 2022 Author Report Share Posted February 19, 2022 On 2/19/2022 at 9:14 PM, andrethebusman said: https://www.facebook.com/236367307286227/posts/902656000657351/ Full fleet changeover? Expand Huskies Line has traditionally had used buses in their fleet. I remember driving 29 year old buses with them, so I don't know when the 15 year age limit came into being. Teansderv, Brolin, Vancouver. AtC, and whatever else they were called, always transferred used buses to Huskies Line. I I wouldn't be surprised if these buses were 12 years old already. That gives Dekalb and NIU 3 years of usage before having to swap them out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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