1000-series D40LF - Updates & Retirements

[Shannoncvpi]

9 hours ago, Bus1883 said:

It may be a while before any other 1000s retire. With some of the 2008 and 09 models having rust issues who knows what the future will hold up for these. 

Yea the 1000's will only be retired due to like a crash with major damage a motor or Trans blow maybe electrical issue or a fire 

[Busjack]

2 hours ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Yea the 1000's will only be retired due to like a crash with major damage a motor or Trans blow maybe electrical issue or a fire 

It's generally been that way at CTA. Usually a combination of:

• An excessive number of buses being eligible for retirement at the same time (last of 1000s and 4000-4049s delivered in 2009). Last time any effort was made to stagger a delivery was 2002.
• Pending orders supposed to eliminate a series, but not enough to do so (i.e. Novas were not enough to eliminate Americanas, 7900-8349 not enough to eliminate all 6400s).

Thus, I agree that the 1000s won't be retired in any particular order, and the ones not worth fixing (like those pictured without engines) won't be fixed. While there might be certain drop dead deadlines (such as New Looks eliminated in 1995 and Flx Metros when Archer closed and the fleet was cut by 300 buses), CTA may face a similar "cliff," if the electric bus transition plan runs into hiccups. I can't see the NF buses lasting 20 years (into 2029). There are limits on when CTA can get parts to rehab buses that old.

[YoungBusLover]

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15 hours ago, Bus1883 said: It may be a while before any other 1000s retire. With some of the 2008 and 09 models having rust issues who knows what the future will hold up for these. 

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5 hours ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Yea the 1000's will only be retired due to like a crash with major damage a motor or Trans blow maybe electrical issue or a fire

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

It's generally been that way at CTA. Usually a combination of:

• An excessive number of buses being eligible for retirement at the same time (last of 1000s and 4000-4049s delivered in 2009). Last time any effort was made to stagger a delivery was 2002.
• Pending orders supposed to eliminate a series, but not enough to do so (i.e. Novas were not enough to eliminate Americanas, 7900-8349 not enough to eliminate all 6400s).

Thus, I agree that the 1000s won't be retired in any particular order, and the ones not worth fixing (like those pictured without engines) won't be fixed. While there might be certain drop dead deadlines (such as New Looks eliminated in 1995 and Flx Metros when Archer closed and the fleet was cut by 300 buses), CTA may face a similar "cliff," if the electric bus transition plan runs into hiccups. I can't see the NF buses lasting 20 years (into 2029). There are limits on when CTA can get parts to rehab buses that old.

Which leads me to wonder about the upgraded shields and clever cabs getting installed on the random 100+ flyers both 40-60 foot combined over the past several months. Does the minor upgrades negate the fact that a bus with a newer shield and other upgrades will be put on the backburner for retirement or is everything still fare game at this point? It reminds me of the #6000s retirement phase when most if not all of the un-rehabbed #6000s were retired in droves over the course of 2 years until 2010 while anything else rehabbed was retired sporadically over time. After seeing what I saw over the past several months at SS some of the 2007-2008 models out of C,K & NP are eligible for retirement. The 2009 models should be the last block to get pushed towards retirement since a good chunk are 09 models. 2006 through early 2007 models from 74th,77th,103rd & FG are flying under the radar and I'm shocked that there isn't more of that block of buses sitting in the boneyard but regardless the retirements are coming sooner rather than later and I just some of these #1000s can get one last mileage swap before the end of the year.

[Mr.NewFlyer1279]

1010 and 1011 have popped up at west shops recently and been there since……..at this point they might be the new WB’s 

[artthouwill]

2 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

Which leads me to wonder about the upgraded shields and clever cabs getting installed on the random 100+ flyers both 40-60 foot combined over the past several months. Does the minor upgrades negate the fact that a bus with a newer shield and other upgrades will be put on the backburner for retirement or is everything still fare game at this point? It reminds me of the #6000s retirement phase when most if not all of the un-rehabbed #6000s were retired in droves over the course of 2 years until 2010 while anything else rehabbed was retired sporadically over time. After seeing what I saw over the past several months at SS some of the 2007-2008 models out of C,K & NP are eligible for retirement. The 2009 models should be the last block to get pushed towards retirement since a good chunk are 09 models. 2006 through early 2007 models from 74th,77th,103rd & FG are flying under the radar and I'm shocked that there isn't more of that block of buses sitting in the boneyard but regardless the retirements are coming sooner rather than later and I just some of these #1000s can get one last mileage swap before the end of the year.

What @Busjack mentioned before about the carbon steel frames of buses 1639 and up is very relevant.   I had noted the high number of these buses in the boneyard compared to the ONE  bus under 1630 that was there.  It's not uncommon for buses to reach a 20 year service life in CTA service  so I wouldn't write off the 2006 and 2007 1000 series New Flyers anytime soon.

CTA may be forced to carry a bloated bus fleet until they can find suitable replacements for the entire New Flyer fleet.

[alphabetlore1044]

19 minutes ago, Mr.NewFlyer1279 said:

1010 and 1011 have popped up at west shops recently and been there since……..at this point they might be the new WB’s 

Maybe it's Retired. Because of 6712 and 6783 has a WBS

[Shannoncvpi]

1434 back at 6 just seen it parked in the back of C last week 

[Shannoncvpi]

10 hours ago, Busjack said:

It's generally been that way at CTA. Usually a combination of:

• An excessive number of buses being eligible for retirement at the same time (last of 1000s and 4000-4049s delivered in 2009). Last time any effort was made to stagger a delivery was 2002.
• Pending orders supposed to eliminate a series, but not enough to do so (i.e. Novas were not enough to eliminate Americanas, 7900-8349 not enough to eliminate all 6400s).

Thus, I agree that the 1000s won't be retired in any particular order, and the ones not worth fixing (like those pictured without engines) won't be fixed. While there might be certain drop dead deadlines (such as New Looks eliminated in 1995 and Flx Metros when Archer closed and the fleet was cut by 300 buses), CTA may face a similar "cliff," if the electric bus transition plan runs into hiccups. I can't see the NF buses lasting 20 years (into 2029). There are limits on when CTA can get parts to rehab buses that old.

Exactly like we already seen how they did other series and with the novas they just let them kill themselves & the fire with 6860 is what really sealed the 6400 fate less then 10 came back but mostly as spares 

[alphabetlore1044]

On 4/18/2023 at 8:20 PM, Shannoncvpi said:

Dam they been back there fr almost a decade & 804 is over there by 6127 & 199e behind Foreman mills

Must be 1993

[Shannoncvpi]

7 hours ago, alphabetlore1044 said:

Must be 1993

Yea 

[YoungBusLover]

On 4/17/2023 at 11:14 AM, YoungBusLover said:

Updated list of #1000's OOS. Note some may be in service but not tracking, #2017 being one of them saw it today on the 157.

1010    4/3/06    1/25/23, 8:52 AM    77    77 -413    F
1011    4/4/06    1/25/23, 8:40 AM    68    81W-407    F
1012    3/18/06                
1053    5/11/06    3/16/23, 6:30 PM    78    78 -401    F
1070    6/16/06    3/17/23, 9:40 AM    28    28 -103    3
1125    7/9/06                
1150    11/2/06                
1190    9/24/06    3/14/23, 7:56 AM    34    119 -103    3
1197    9/10/06                
1228    10/6/06                
1278    3/28/07                
1293    1/29/07    3/4/23, 7:10 PM    4    4 -708    7
1305    11/30/06                
1311    1/21/07    2/16/23    53A    53A-705    7
1355    2/27/07                
1407    4/12/07    3/17/23, 5:40 PM    65    65 -855    C
1413    5/22/07    1/27/23, 4:00 AM    9    N9 -693    6
1431    9/7/07    2/15/23, 7:40 PM    2    2 -762    7
1447    9/16/07                
1497    10/12/07    1/28/23, 12:50 PM    47    47 -610    6
1517    11/18/07                
1527    11/26/07    3/1/23, 6:40 PM    X49    X49 -653    6
1551    12/6/07                
1606    2/26/08    2/28/23, 7:20 PM    85    85 -456    F
1614    3/25/08                
1620    3/6/08    2/17/23, 9:00 AM    60    60 -213    K
1626    3/23/08                
1628    3/27/08                
1646    4/17/08                
1670    5/9/08                
1671    5/6/08                
1684    5/15/08                
1685    6/9/08    3/8/23, 5:50 PM    156    156 -258    K
1697    7/14/08                
1704    6/2/08                
1730    6/19/08                
1732    7/24/08                
1739    6/26/08    2/1/23, 9:40 AM    60    60 -217    K
1740    6/26/08                
1746    7/17/08                
1756    8/19/08                
1765    7/18/08                
1771    7/16/08    12/14/22, 8:30 AM    148    SS -502    P
1794    8/19/08    12/31/22, 5:20 PM    22    22 -501    P
1805    9/13/08                
1811    8/17/08    3/17/23, 6:00 PM    201    201 -502    P
1814    8/18/08    3/10/23, 1:40 PM    22    22 -506    P
1820    8/22/08    3/10/23, 1:30 AM    151    151 -524    P
1821    9/3/08                
1825    9/2/08                
1849    9/13/08    3/5/23, 9:40 AM    39    39 -203    K
1859    9/27/08                
1868    10/2/08    1/10/23, 6:00 PM    96    96 -502    P
1870    10/1/08                
1883    10/24/08    3/13/23, 11:20 PM    50    50 -552    P
1890    1/5/09    12/15/22, 6:40 PM    97    97 -505    P
1922    11/26/08                
1925    12/6/08                
1930    12/6/08                
1935    12/12/08                
1948    1/3/09                
1952    1/8/09    2/2/23, 5:20 PM    66    66 -857    C
1959    1/14/09                
1961    1/19/09                
1971    1/21/09    2/23/23, 9:50 AM    57    57 -801    C
1993    2/19/09                
1996    3/3/09                
1997    3/6/09                
2008    3/20/09    1/19/23, 6:10 PM    74    74 -853    C
2013    3/26/09                
2016    4/3/09    1/19/23, 1:30 AM    20    20 -854    C

Finally found the where abouts of 1948, it is also on LTH now.It still has its farebox and ventra reader though but is missing other components as of right now, #1697 has been stripped of its ventra reader and farebox among other parts but it is also placed on LTH along with the rest of this batch of buses its sitting with. Some of seat fabric covers have also been getting removed as well from what I've seen. I guess whatever is still good for usage can get used on other buses or thrown out entirely.

[alphabetlore1044]

32 minutes ago, YoungBusLover said:

Finally found the where abouts of 1948, it is also on LTH now.It still has its farebox and ventra reader though but is missing other components as of right now, #1697 has been stripped of its ventra reader and farebox among other parts but it is also placed on LTH along with the rest of this batch of buses its sitting with. Some of seat fabric covers have also been getting removed as well from what I've seen. I guess whatever is still good for usage can get used on other buses or thrown out entirely.

The 1000s have Yellow Stickers on it

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, YoungBusLover said:

.. I guess whatever is still good for usage can get used on other buses or thrown out entirely.

It basically depends on what CTA's distinction is between LTH and SCRAP, the latter painted onto buses headed out of the yard. However, it is consistent with the prior discussion of Cannibalized. Apparently, these buses have significant enough structural defects that they are being stripped for parts. The Ventra readers are being reallocated, and historically the fareboxes have been, too (CTA had not purchased new fareboxes for 30 years and I guess the Scheidt & Bachmann fareboxes aren't ready yet). The odds are none of these buses is coming back. At least we know what the yellow stickers mean.

39 minutes ago, alphabetlore1044 said:

The 1000s have Yellow Stickers on it

And your point is...???

[Shannoncvpi]

1 hour ago, YoungBusLover said:

Finally found the where abouts of 1948, it is also on LTH now.It still has its farebox and ventra reader though but is missing other components as of right now, #1697 has been stripped of its ventra reader and farebox among other parts but it is also placed on LTH along with the rest of this batch of buses its sitting with. Some of seat fabric covers have also been getting removed as well from what I've seen. I guess whatever is still good for usage can get used on other buses or thrown out entirely.

Dam that means some of the 1000's are starting to be retired 

[Busjack]

4 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Dam that means some of the 1000's are starting to be retired 

100 or more should be on receipt of 8450-8549, but, due to necessity, it appears backward. It looks like the solicitation to scrap 101 buses is a couple of a hundred short.

[Shannoncvpi]

1 hour ago, Busjack said:

100 or more should be on receipt of 8450-8549, but, due to necessity, it appears backward. It looks like the solicitation to scrap 101 buses is a couple of a hundred short.

Dam well some a be scrapped but some idk 

[YoungBusLover]

#1197 will be active again soon, bus looks brand new practically. I saw it moving around the shops area a few minutes ago. I wonder if we'll take it or will it get sent to 103rd.

[Shannoncvpi]

45 minutes ago, YoungBusLover said:

#1197 will be active again soon, bus looks brand new practically. I saw it moving around the shops area a few minutes ago. I wonder if we'll take it or will it get sent to 103rd.

Well that's good they are keeping that alive 

[Bus1883]

On 4/30/2023 at 2:17 PM, Shannoncvpi said:

Dam well some a be scrapped but some idk 

I feel that those 6400s may be back there for a minute. From the looks of it is that no one is seems interested in purchasing them for scrap maybe there could be rebidding back to back don’t take my word for it I may be wrong either way. 

[Shannoncvpi]

4 hours ago, Bus1883 said:

I feel that those 6400s may be back there for a minute. From the looks of it is that no one is seems interested in purchasing them for scrap maybe there could be rebidding back to back don’t take my word for it I may be wrong either way. 

Hell they might be back there for a few more years you know cta not in a rush to scrap its still 4700 5300 6000's 4323 & 4333 still there buses that's been done with for 10+years

[YoungBusLover]

I'm going to add #1937 to the LTH chopping block mainly because of what was etched across the rear engine cover. 

[Shannoncvpi]

6 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

I'm going to add #1937 to the LTH chopping block mainly because of what was etched across the rear engine cover. 

Yea it's retired now cause they then took the taillights out who knows whatever else they took

[YoungBusLover]

So I think it's finally time I made a separate topic in regards to the #1000s retirements process as it seems to be slowly underway. I've already compiled a list of what's on the chopping block based on what I've seen. So far my count has surpassed 53 which does include various buses with wreck/fire damage. The second list consists of buses recently removed from service for more than several months and did return for a short time but later went back OOS. 

1. #1010 WB1
2. #1011 WB2
3. #1012
4. #1125  (Accident)
5. #1150 (Fire)
6. #1185 (Accident)
7. #1228 (Accident) 
8. #1305 (Fire)
9. #1311 
10. #1355
11. #1447 (Accident)
12. #1517
13. #1614
14. #1646
15. #1670
16. #1671
17. #1684
18. #1697
19. #1704
20. #1730
21. #1732
22. #1739
23. #1740
24. #1746
25. #1756
26. #1765
27. #1771
28. #1794
29. #1805 (Accident)
30. #1821 (Accident)
31. #1825
32. #1859
33. #1868
34. #1870
35. #1883
36. #1886
37. #1890
38. #1922
39. #1925 (Accident)
40. #1930
41. #1932
42. #1935
43. #1937
44. #1948
45. #1957
46. #1959
47. #1961
48. #1993 (Fire)
49. #1996
50. #1997
51. #2008
52. #2013
53. #2016

1. #1028
2. #1046
3. #1178
4. #1190
5. #1208
6. #1239
7. #1282
8. #1293
9. #1431
10. #1462
11. #1620
12. #1626 (Recently towed to Boneyard)
13. #1693 (Recently towed to Boneyard)
14. #1750 
15. #1814
16. #1820
17. #1839

 

 

 

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

8 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

So I think it's finally time I made a separate topic in regards to the #1000s retirements process as it seems to be slowly underway. I've already compiled a list of what's on the chopping block based on what I've seen. So far my count has surpassed 53 which does include various buses with wreck/fire damage. The second list consists of buses recently removed from service for more than several months and did return for a short time but later went back OOS. 

1. #1010 WB1
2. #1011 WB2
3. #1012
4. #1125  (Accident)
5. #1150 (Fire)
6. #1185 (Accident)
7. #1228 (Accident) 
8. #1305 (Fire)
9. #1311 
10. #1355
11. #1447 (Accident)
12. #1517
13. #1614
14. #1646
15. #1670
16. #1671
17. #1684
18. #1697
19. #1704
20. #1730
21. #1732
22. #1739
23. #1740
24. #1746
25. #1756
26. #1765
27. #1771
28. #1794
29. #1805 (Accident)
30. #1821 (Accident)
31. #1825
32. #1859
33. #1868
34. #1870
35. #1883
36. #1886
37. #1890
38. #1922
39. #1925 (Accident)
40. #1930
41. #1932
42. #1935
43. #1937
44. #1948
45. #1957
46. #1959
47. #1961
48. #1993 (Fire)
49. #1996
50. #1997
51. #2008
52. #2013
53. #2016

1. #1028
2. #1046
3. #1178
4. #1190
5. #1208
6. #1239
7. #1282
8. #1293
9. #1431
10. #1462
11. #1620
12. #1626 (Recently towed to Boneyard)
13. #1693 (Recently towed to Boneyard)
14. #1750 
15. #1814
16. #1820
17. #1839

 

 

 

1046 is active with a broken tracker

[YoungBusLover]

3 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

1046 is active with a broken tracker

I saw that bus recently at SS.