More Bus Moves

[Busjack]

57 minutes ago, andrethebusman said:

However, since the vast majority of what was promised for the south side won't happen until the September pick, that is a long way off.

3 months, and if they are doing this just to have to move everything around in 3 months as well as probably get more NFs to FG (as it is going to need more than the 125 8200s), it's just going to be musical chairs, even if it is 1041-1060 to FG, 1219-1250 to 103, etc..

 

As you note, by your theory, only 3 garages are done, and while I thought things were sorting out, you said that 19% of the buses still have to be moved..

[jajuan]

2 hours ago, Busjack said:

3 months, and if they are doing this just to have to move everything around in 3 months as well as probably get more NFs to FG (as it is going to need more than the 125 8200s), it's just going to be musical chairs, even if it is 1041-1060 to FG, 1219-1250 to 103, etc..

 

As you note, by your theory, only 3 garages are done, and while I thought things were sorting out, you said that 19% of the buses still have to be moved..

Well things are sorting out as you have each garage either done or having the majority of their NFs in a contiguous block. What his post does show still is that there were NFs moved to other garages in the last few weeks only to potentially have to move again in the next few weeks, i.e. 1748 and 1750-1752 to Kedzie and 1753-1761 to Chicago only for both of those mini blocks to North Park. We already saw 1034-1040 to 103rd to FG and 1212-1218 to 77th to 103rd. 

[RJL6000]

This weekend, Kedzie appears to be getting #1566-76 from 77th (although #1575 is still at 77th at the moment) plus the remainder of the upper 1600s and bus #1705 that were still at Chicago until now. In return, Kedzie may have lost most if not all of its remaining 1300s (which may have included #1357-62, #1364, #1365, #1369-74 among others) to 77th. (Of course, #1587-96, #1601, #1603, #1606 and #1620 remain at 77th while Kedzie still has #1225-27 for the time being.) Also, 77th appears to have lost its remaining Allison transmission-equipped, longitudinal seating 1900s to Chicago.

Stay tuned for further details.

EDIT: Confirmed about Kedzie losing most of its remaining 1300s to 77th. #1373 has been spotted on route #4 at this moment.

[BusHunter]

Yeah #1946 is on the #54B so it would appear more #1900's are on the move, but #1927 is still 77th along with #1900 and #1901. Even though there doesn't appear to be evidence of Kedzie #1300's on the move, it's probably the next step for them. Thought 77th would be moving more than they are the #1600's are staying put and well as #1587-96. Looks like kind of a light week in the transfer dept but stuff can move around all weekend so there might still be something happening. I see the high #1600 oddballs did go to Kedzie so Chicago will be needing something more than #1900's to fill that gap.

[garmon757]

3 hours ago, RJL6000 said:

EDIT: Confirmed about Kedzie losing most of its remaining 1300s to 77th. #1373 has been spotted on route #4 at this moment.

#1374 and #1376 have made their way to 77th while on #8 and #87 respectively. #1359 is on #3 and #1362 is on #79. 

[jajuan]

Sounds like they should need no more than one or two more weekends to wrap up this current swapocalypse as it sounds like they are currently in the home stretch of the remaining garages being in order.

[jajuan]

Spotted a beach bus on North Ave. The #36 bus I was on didn't get close enough though to see if it was shuttle or a marked #72. Only thing I got a to see was the bus turn from North Ave to Clark then down La Salle Drive to North Ave Beach. So CTA probably figures the services are a regular enough summer time occurrence to not need to put out reminders anymore.

[Mr.cta85]

1900 and 01 is still at 77th. Saw 1901 last week and earlier today. 77th also have 1596 still too whats up with that?

[jajuan]

1 hour ago, Mr.cta85 said:

1900 and 01 is still at 77th. Saw 1901 last week and earlier today. 77th also have 1596 still too whats up with that?

They're not done with the swaps yet, and it's possible they only have so many personnel available to conduct all these swaps every weekend. 

[RJL6000]

The final tally for this weekend's round of swaps:

Buses In:

77th: 1357-62, 1364, 1365, 1369-74, 1376, 1378-80

Chicago: 1946, 1952, 1954, 1968, 1982, 1986, 1993

Kedzie: 1566-74, 1682-84, 1689, 1693, 1695, 1697, 1698, 1705(?)

Buses Out:

77th: 1566-74, 1946, 1952, 1954, 1968, 1982, 1986, 1993

Kedzie: 1357-62, 1364, 1365, 1369-74, 1376, 1378-80

Chicago: 1682-84, 1689, 1693, 1695, 1697, 1698, 1705(?)

[garmon757]

Ha, #7994 is on #120 and it's a Kedzie run!

[garmon757]

41 minutes ago, RJL6000 said:

The final tally for this weekend's round of swaps:

Buses In:

77th: 1357-62, 1364, 1365, 1369-74, 1376, 1378-80

Chicago: 1946, 1952, 1954, 1968, 1982, 1986, 1993

Kedzie: 1566-74, 1682-84, 1689, 1693, 1695, 1697, 1698, 1705(?)

Buses Out:

77th: 1566-74, 1946, 1952, 1954, 1968, 1982, 1986, 1993

Kedzie: 1357-62, 1364, 1365, 1369-74, 1376, 1378-80

Chicago: 1682-84, 1689, 1693, 1695, 1697, 1698, 1705(?)

The biggest problem right now is tackling 1381-1404, 1700s and definitely 1800-1929. Chicago doesn't need anymore 1000s because 130 of them (1900s + Allisons) + 99 8100s + about 35-40 4000s are good enough for the garage count. 77th should be 1219-1404, Kedzie should be 1565-1751 or 1761, and North Park should be 1752 or 1762-1899 if no changes with Forest Glen.  BTW, #1705 is at Kedzie.

@BusHunter What happened to #4167???

[Sam92]

1 hour ago, garmon757 said:

The biggest problem right now is tackling 1381-1404, 1700s and definitely 1800-1929. Chicago doesn't need anymore 1000s because 130 of them (1900s + Allisons) + 99 8100s + about 35-40 4000s are good enough for the garage count. 77th should be 1219-1404, Kedzie should be 1565-1751 or 1761, and North Park should be 1752 or 1762-1899 if no changes with Forest Glen.  BTW, #1705 is at Kedzie.

@BusHunter What happened to #4167???

North Park? I think everything under 4170 is still at NP AS far AS stimulus artics go

[patman119]

1 hour ago, garmon757 said:

The biggest problem right now is tackling 1381-1404, 1700s and definitely 1800-1929. Chicago doesn't need anymore 1000s because 130 of them (1900s + Allisons) + 99 8100s + about 35-40 4000s are good enough for the garage count. 77th should be 1219-1404, Kedzie should be 1565-1751 or 1761, and North Park should be 1752 or 1762-1899 if no changes with Forest Glen.  BTW, #1705 is at Kedzie.

@BusHunter What happened to #4167???

4167 was involved in an accident last year on Michigan that caused the bus to run over someone.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150602/downtown/cta-bus-crashes-onto-crowded-sidewalk-on-michigan-avenue-downtown

[BusHunter]

24 minutes ago, patman119 said:

4167 was involved in an accident last year on Michigan that caused the bus to run over someone.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150602/downtown/cta-bus-crashes-onto-crowded-sidewalk-on-michigan-avenue-downtown

Probably a legal hold.

[garmon757]

1 hour ago, patman119 said:

4167 was involved in an accident last year on Michigan that caused the bus to run over someone.

https://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20150602/downtown/cta-bus-crashes-onto-crowded-sidewalk-on-michigan-avenue-downtown

 

40 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

Probably a legal hold.

Oohhh yeah! Thanks guys.

[andrethebusman]

Add to this weekend's moves 1948 and 1988 77th to Chicago.

This leaves:

1339,1348-1349,1375,1381-1404 North Park to 77th (18)

1575-1576,1587-1596,1601,1603,1606,1620 77th to Kedzie (16)

1900-1901 77th to North Park (2)

1746 Chicago to Kedzie (1)

1706,1708-1711,1713,1718-1720,1723-1724,1730,1742,1744-1745 North Park to Kedzie (15)

1748,1750-1752,1798,1811,1815,1819,1821-1822,1825-1827,1829-1830,1834-1836,1838-1841,1843-1845,1849-1854 Kedzie to North Park (32)

1753-1761,1799-1809,1813-1814,1817-1818,1824,1831-1833,1837 Chicago to North Park (29) 

1904,1906,1908,1910,1912,1914,1916,1918,1926-1927 77th to Chicago

1905,1907,1909,1911,1913,1915,1917,1919-1925,1947,1951,1961,1965,1997-1998 North Park to Chicago (20)

 

[sw4400]

14 minutes ago, andrethebusman said:

Add to this weekend's moves 1948 and 1988 77th to Chicago.

This leaves:

1339,1348-1349,1375,1381-1404 North Park to 77th (18)

1575-1576,1587-1596,1601,1603,1606,1620 77th to Kedzie (16)

1900-1901 77th to North Park (2)

1746 Chicago to Kedzie (1)

1706,1708-1711,1713,1718-1720,1723-1724,1730,1742,1744-1745 North Park to Kedzie (15)

1748,1750-1752,1798,1811,1815,1819,1821-1822,1825-1827,1829-1830,1834-1836,1838-1841,1843-1845,1849-1854 Kedzie to North Park (32)

1753-1761,1799-1809,1813-1814,1817-1818,1824,1831-1833,1837 Chicago to North Park (29) 

1904,1906,1908,1910,1912,1914,1916,1918,1926-1927 77th to Chicago

1905,1907,1909,1911,1913,1915,1917,1919-1925,1947,1951,1961,1965,1997-1998 North Park to Chicago (20)

 

1748-1854 at North Park eventually? Only??? Many routes there are dependent of 40' bus service(I know they run 60' buses, but not on every route there, mostly the downtown and high-volume routes). That's only 107 40' buses at NP..... am I missing a group of buses that will eventually be assigned there? North Park currently has 154, but a garage has to always have spares for emergencies such as breakdowns, accidents, etc... 107 will be tight for a roster of 40' buses at any garage....

EDIT: Including 1900-1901, that's only 109 40' buses.... still a very small amount of standard buses with minimal spares, maybe even no spares. What is the full predicted rosters for all garages regarding the New Flyer swapocalypse, @andrethebusman?

[busfan2847]

8 minutes ago, sw4400 said:

1748-1854 at North Park eventually? Only??? Many routes there are dependent of 40' bus service(I know they run 60' buses, but not on every route there, mostly the downtown and high-volume routes). That's only 107 40' buses at NP..... am I missing a group of buses that will eventually be assigned there? North Park currently has 154, but a garage has to always have spares for emergencies such as breakdowns, accidents, etc... 107 will be tight for a roster of 40' buses at any garage....

EDIT: Including 1900-1901, that's only 109 40' buses.... still a very small amount of standard buses with minimal spares, maybe even no spares. What is the full predicted rosters for all garages regarding the New Flyer swapocalypse, @andrethebusman?

1748-1903 are the ones Andre listed at North Park (156)

From Page 229 This is the predicted roster Andre posted

FG - 41 - 1000-1040 (done)

103rd - 178 - 1041-1218 (done)

77th - 185 - 1219-1304, 1306-1404

74th - 161 1405-1565 (done)

Kedzie - 182 - 1566-1747

NP - 156 - 1748-1903

Chicago - 126 - 1904-2029

[busfan2847]

11 hours ago, garmon757 said:

Ha, #7994 is on #120 and it's a Kedzie run!

I have often seen at least one 77th bus on a K run on 120/121 in the morning according to maths22 archive. 7994 is on 53A this afternoon.

Couple of other examples from last week:

On 1st June it was 1287 on a K working on the 121, It was on 79 that afternoon.

31st May 7969 on a K working on 121 am, 8 pm ......

[jajuan]

12 hours ago, garmon757 said:

The biggest problem right now is tackling 1381-1404, 1700s and definitely 1800-1929. Chicago doesn't need anymore 1000s because 130 of them (1900s + Allisons) + 99 8100s + about 35-40 4000s are good enough for the garage count. 77th should be 1219-1404, Kedzie should be 1565-1751 or 1761, and North Park should be 1752 or 1762-1899 if no changes with Forest Glen.  BTW, #1705 is at Kedzie.

@BusHunter What happened to #4167???

You're leaving NP short by 20 and Kedzie ridiculously high my friend if starting them at 1762.  Thoughts are those Chicago buses 1753-1761 will go to North Park. Andre figures, from going by what average NF counts at Kedzie have been since giving up #157 and some other work to Chicago, that Kedzie's NFs may end at about 1747. That makes NP NFs start at 1748, and going by its average NF count, he estimates its share ends at about 1903. So that leaves Chicago with 1904-2029.  Also 1565 already belongs to 74th now with 74th being completed Memorial Day weekend.

[jajuan]

7 hours ago, sw4400 said:

1748-1854 at North Park eventually? Only??? Many routes there are dependent of 40' bus service(I know they run 60' buses, but not on every route there, mostly the downtown and high-volume routes). That's only 107 40' buses at NP..... am I missing a group of buses that will eventually be assigned there? North Park currently has 154, but a garage has to always have spares for emergencies such as breakdowns, accidents, etc... 107 will be tight for a roster of 40' buses at any garage....

EDIT: Including 1900-1901, that's only 109 40' buses.... still a very small amount of standard buses with minimal spares, maybe even no spares. What is the full predicted rosters for all garages regarding the New Flyer swapocalypse, @andrethebusman?

@sw4400No NP's not going to be restricted to just 1748-1854. You quoted Andre's list of what's still left to be done to finish swapocalypse man, not the full list that shows the moves already completed. NP already has 1855-99 and all the other 1800s not currently assigned to Chicago and Kedzie after the recent trades with 74th that made 74th the third garage that's completed in the swapocalpse. So what you quoted is what Andre is figuring NP still needs. 

[garmon757]

43 minutes ago, jajuan said:

You're leaving NP short by 20 and Kedzie ridiculously high my friend if starting them at 1762.  Thoughts are those Chicago buses 1753-1761 will go to North Park. Andre figures, from going by what average NF counts at Kedzie have been since giving up #157 and some other work to Chicago, that Kedzie's NFs may end at about 1747. That makes NP NFs start at 1748, and going by its average NF count, he estimates its share ends at about 1903. So that leaves Chicago with 1904-2029.  Also 1565 already belongs to 74th now with 74th being completed Memorial Day weekend.

Argh the numbers getting me a headache! 

It's so odd with these swaps man it's crazy! Kedzie did had roughly 185-190 NF's but I left NP short because of so many artics. Yeah, I goofed up on #1565. 

[jajuan]

1 minute ago, garmon757 said:

Argh the numbers getting me a headache! 

It's so odd with these swaps man it's crazy! Kedzie did had roughly 185-190 NF's but I left NP short because of so many artics. Yeah, I goofed up on #1565. 

The artics can't be everywhere, so don't short change my home garage on its 40 foot buses.

[BusHunter]

#1087 is at 77th this morning. I wonder if that's how this will turn out. buses will loan out or transfer within the sequential blocks and then when the home garage needs them they will return.