More Bus Moves

[jajuan]

5 hours ago, BusHunter said:

#1087 is at 77th this morning. I wonder if that's how this will turn out. buses will loan out or transfer within the sequential blocks and then when the home garage needs them they will return.

Besides that though, 77th has been known to use other garages' buses that might have been down at South Shops for maintenance. Math's tracker doesn't show that bus in service at the present time. 

[RJL6000]

Looks like Kedzie has gotten the four oddball 1600s (#1601, #1603, #1606 and #1620) that were still at 77th until now - and maybe also #1575 and #1576. However, there may have also been a swap between 77th and North Park. 77th is still holding on to #1587-96 for now.

One oddity: 74th has borrowed #1980 from Chicago, but only temporarily.

One weird glitch occurred in the maths22 tracker yesterday evening: Several 7900s from 77th and 74th were reported as operating on a Kedzie-operated route, the #12 Roosevelt.

[dann]

1 hour ago, RJL6000 said:

there may have also been a swap between 77th and North Park. 

1390 is running on #3.

[jajuan]

30 minutes ago, dann said:

1390 is running on #3.

So it is possible that the last of the ISM buses that at NP (basically 1390s-1404) have gone to 77th. All that needs to be done at 77th is trade 1587-96 for the relevant buses still at Kedzie. And going forward the main and remaining focus would be the final trades that need to happen between NP and Chicago and between NP and K (NP still has 1700s that should be at Kedzie) to get this swapocalypse done.

[Mr.cta85]

2 hours ago, RJL6000 said:

Looks like Kedzie has gotten the four oddball 1600s (#1601, #1603, #1606 and #1620) that were still at 77th until now - and maybe also #1575 and #1576. However, there may have also been a swap between 77th and North Park. 77th is still holding on to #1587-96 for now.

One oddity: 74th has borrowed #1980 from Chicago, but only temporarily.

One weird glitch occurred in the maths22 tracker yesterday evening: Several 7900s from 77th and 74th were reported as operating on a Kedzie-operated route, the #12 Roosevelt.

That wasnt a glitch, as I was pullin in last night I saw a nova with the Roosevelt sign on it. They were probably helping kedzie out last night I believe its something going on downtown.

[BusHunter]

3 hours ago, RJL6000 said:

Looks like Kedzie has gotten the four oddball 1600s (#1601, #1603, #1606 and #1620) that were still at 77th until now - and maybe also #1575 and #1576. However, there may have also been a swap between 77th and North Park. 77th is still holding on to #1587-96 for now.

One oddity: 74th has borrowed #1980 from Chicago, but only temporarily.

One weird glitch occurred in the maths22 tracker yesterday evening: Several 7900s from 77th and 74th were reported as operating on a Kedzie-operated route, the #12 Roosevelt.

Looks like NP got the #1900's from 77th for #1381 - #1390. #1900 and #1927 are at NP and no other even #1900's are in service from 77th. They must be going to swap those again because that's just leaving Chicago with 100 #1000's.

[RJL6000]

10 hours ago, jajuan said:

So it is possible that the last of the ISM buses that at NP (basically 1390s-1404) have gone to 77th. All that needs to be done at 77th is trade 1587-96 for the relevant buses still at Kedzie. And going forward the main and remaining focus would be the final trades that need to happen between NP and Chicago and between NP and K (NP still has 1700s that should be at Kedzie) to get this swapocalypse done.

Actually, the buses 77th received from North Park were #1339, #1348, #1349, #1375 and #1381-90. (Therefore, North Park should still have 14 ISM-equipped buses right now.) In return, 77th gave up all of its remaining 1900s (#1900, #1901, #1904, #1906, #1908, #1910, #1912, #1914, #1916, #1918, #1926 and #1927) to North Park; thus, 77th should no longer have any ISL-equipped New Flyers at this point.

And Kedzie still has #1225-27, #1798, #1800s and #1928 that should be transferred to other garages by the time the current "swapocalypse" is finished.

[andrethebusman]

1798, 1811, 1815 Kedzie to NP

6728 dead 6/7, 6451, 6828, 6829, 6853 dead 6/13

 

 

[andrethebusman]

On ‎6‎/‎11‎/‎2016 at 9:26 AM, RJL6000 said:

Actually, the buses 77th received from North Park were #1339, #1348, #1349, #1375 and #1381-90. (Therefore, North Park should still have 14 ISM-equipped buses right now.) In return, 77th gave up all of its remaining 1900s (#1900, #1901, #1904, #1906, #1908, #1910, #1912, #1914, #1916, #1918, #1926 and #1927) to North Park; thus, 77th should no longer have any ISL-equipped New Flyers at this point.

And Kedzie still has #1225-27, #1798, #1800s and #1928 that should be transferred to other garages by the time the current "swapocalypse" is finished.

1225-1227 were 77th's as of a couple of weeks ago already.

[RJL6000]

6 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

1225-1227 were 77th's as of a couple of weeks ago already.

Yes, they were officially 77th's. But those three buses are still on temporary loan to Kedzie.

Now, this leaves the already known moves over this past weekend.

Buses In:

77th: 1339, 1348, 1349, 1375, 1381-91

Kedzie: 1603, 1606, 1620

North Park: 1798, 1811, 1815, 1900, 1901, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1918, 1926, 1927

Buses Out:

77th: 1603, 1606, 1620, 1900, 1901, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1918, 1926, 1927

Kedzie: 1798, 1811, 1815

North Park: 1339, 1348, 1349, 1375, 1381-91

As of right now, #1601 is still at 77th. #1575 and #1576 have not been seen in service over the weekend.

[BusHunter]

6 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

1798, 1811, 1815 Kedzie to NP

6728 dead 6/7, 6451, 6828, 6829, 6853 dead 6/13

 

 

Damn then some of my shots at the 3rd yard were of dead buses.

https://chitransit.org/topic/3434-7900-series-nova-lfs-deliveries-assignments/?do=findComment&comment=86980

Like i say the yard was full might as well can something. I'd get rid of the cannibalized ones like #6591, #6603 or #6536 and keep some of the fresher buses. I wonder can they run the existing #6400 fleet mostly using pick a part buses? I mean maybe they can get 2-4 new buses a week, that would mean 2-4 fresh kills a week. Plenty of parts floating around. Don't know how good they are though.as they might be replacing the same parts over and over.

[sw4400]

18 minutes ago, BusHunter said:

Damn then some of my shots at the 3rd yard were of dead buses.

https://chitransit.org/topic/3434-7900-series-nova-lfs-deliveries-assignments/?do=findComment&comment=86980

Like i say the yard was full might as well can something. I'd get rid of the cannibalized ones like #6591, #6603 or #6536 and keep some of the fresher buses. I wonder can they run the existing #6400 fleet mostly using pick a part buses? I mean maybe they can get 2-4 new buses a week, that would mean 2-4 fresh kills a week. Plenty of parts floating around. Don't know how good they are though.as they might be replacing the same parts over and over.

Only way 30 of the 2nd Gen Novas(6709-6883) are going to survive until 2018 or 2019 is with a light rehab, and given age and quantity of buses left by then, it's not worth it. All the Novas from 2000-2002 will no doubt see retirement by end of 2017 at the latest. Surviving as pick-a-parts buses for 2-3 more years won't work. Parts are getting tired on all the buses as even the newest of the old are pushing or beyond 500,000 miles now.

[Busjack]

2 minutes ago, sw4400 said:

All the Novas from 2000-2002 will no doubt see retirement by end of 2017 at the latest.

But when are you expecting the electric buses, justified as eliminating an equal number of polluting Novas?

[BusHunter]

1 minute ago, sw4400 said:

Only way 30 of the 2nd Gen Novas(6709-6883) are going to survive until 2018 or 2019 is with a light rehab, and given age and quantity of buses, it's not worth it. All the Novas from 2000-2002 will no doubt see retirement by end of 2017 at the latest. Surviving as pick-a-parts buses for 2-3 more years won't work. Parts are getting tired on all the buses as even the newest of the old are pushing or beyond 500,000 miles now.

Well somewhere here the old buses will transition to being a backup fleet. They can probably do rush hours only once they get to about 80 of them cause they have the 40 #1000's and I know they only really need 125 for the non rush period.

I was kind of surprised with all the higher bus number retirements, i mean out of 5 buses 1 was a #6700 and 3 were #6800's. I didn't see many #6400's on the weekend and thought maybe they were done but I guess not. I guess they like frozen green destination signs. The amber ones are working for the most part.

Looking back at my 3rd yard pics, I missed #6831 and was like where the hell did it go? It was in the 3rd yard for at least 6 weeks and it wasn't in service since 3/6/16. I looked and it's in service on the #56!! Someone needs to sing it a welcome back song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mmm3KTa601s

[jajuan]

2 hours ago, RJL6000 said:

Yes, they were officially 77th's. But those three buses are still on temporary loan to Kedzie.

Now, this leaves the already known moves over this past weekend.

Buses In:

77th: 1339, 1348, 1349, 1375, 1381-91

Kedzie: 1603, 1606, 1620

North Park: 1798, 1811, 1815, 1900, 1901, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1918, 1926, 1927

Buses Out:

77th: 1603, 1606, 1620, 1900, 1901, 1904, 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1918, 1926, 1927

Kedzie: 1798, 1811, 1815

North Park: 1339, 1348, 1349, 1375, 1381-91

As of right now, #1601 is still at 77th. #1575 and #1576 have not been seen in service over the weekend.

It's interesting that NP also got 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1918, 1926 and 1927 as those should have been destined for Chicago. However, they did create the previous fluke of putting nine NFs out of place of the overall pattern of these swaps, that being 1753-1761 having been assigned to Chicago instead of NP. 

[dann]

5 hours ago, jajuan said:

It's interesting that NP also got 1906, 1908, 1910, 1912, 1914, 1916, 1918, 1926 and 1927 as those should have been destined for Chicago. However, they did create the previous fluke of putting nine NFs out of place of the overall pattern of these swaps, that being 1753-1761 having been assigned to Chicago instead of NP. 

I guess they wanted to make it easier to set up a future swap between C and NP.

[jajuan]

18 hours ago, dann said:

I guess they wanted to make it easier to set up a future swap between C and NP.

It's a step that's not even necessary. The relevant buses could have simply been traded directly to each of those garages just as most of the hundreds of other buses that got swapped so far. 

[transit kid 12]

Lately, I've been seeing 7900s on the 157. I know that's unusual, because that route comes from the kedzie garage. I looked closer and saw it was from Chicago garage.

Today I saw #8192 on the 12 Roosevelt. I'm 99.9% sure it was also from Chicago. This was at about 9 a.m. and it was followed by one of Kedzie's  normal 1000-series runs. Is Chicago just helping out here? At first when I saw this, I thought Kedzie got some 7900s, and I was gonna start jumping up and down! 

[RJL6000]

Nope. The #157 was reassigned to Chicago Garage as of this past Spring pick. And Chicago has been running selected AM rush period trips on the #12 since at least last year.

Thus, Kedzie no longer has the #157.

[andrethebusman]

1207-1218 lined up at 103 this evening (Sat 6/17) awaiting move to? 77th ?

[RJL6000]

7 hours ago, andrethebusman said:

1207-1218 lined up at 103 this evening (Sat 6/17) awaiting move to? 77th ?

Maybe. (EDIT: #1207-18 ended up at Chicago, not 77th.)

#1575 and #1576 finally moved out of 77th - but to 74th instead of Kedzie. #1587-96 and #1601 might have also moved out of 77th (albeit unconfirmed at this point). (EDIT: In addition to #1575 and #1576, #1587-96 also ended up at 74th.)

Also unconfirmed at this time is Kedzie sending a few more 1800s up North Park's way.

[jajuan]

1 hour ago, RJL6000 said:

Maybe. (EDIT: #1207-18 ended up at Chicago, not 77th.)

#1575 and #1576 finally moved out of 77th - but to 74th instead of Kedzie. #1587-96 and #1601 might have also moved out of 77th (albeit unconfirmed at this point). (EDIT: In addition to #1575 and #1576, #1587-96 also ended up at 74th.)

Also unconfirmed at this time is Kedzie sending a few more 1800s up North Park's way.

Ok the eve of this year's summer pick just made this swapocalypse madness get weird. We're seeing examples here of why single numerical blocks isn't the best idea and hard to maintain.

[BusHunter]

5 hours ago, RJL6000 said:

Maybe. (EDIT: #1207-18 ended up at Chicago, not 77th.)

#1575 and #1576 finally moved out of 77th - but to 74th instead of Kedzie. #1587-96 and #1601 might have also moved out of 77th (albeit unconfirmed at this point). (EDIT: In addition to #1575 and #1576, #1587-96 also ended up at 74th.)

Also unconfirmed at this time is Kedzie sending a few more 1800s up North Park's way.

#1595-96 are still at 77th. #1588 did go to 74th. This is confusing. #1601 is still 77th. It doesn't appear np got #1800's from Chicago; kedzie seems to be hanging on to their #1800's too. The #1900's at np are still there. So what transferred?

Looks like more of a displacement this weekend to me. (#1210-18 at Chicago) I bet that might have something to do with this #26 bidirectional startup on Monday cause like what happened to 103rd's buses. #1041 - #1206 isn't going to fly, but I bet if we check artic transfers we'll see where the other shoe drops. And look who has extra buses, Chicago so they may be the one who lost artics.

[ajm522]

1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

#1595-96 are still at 77th. #1588 did go to 74th. This is confusing. #1601 is still 77th. It doesn't appear np got #1800's from Chicago; kedzie seems to be hanging on to their #1800's too. The #1900's at np are still there. So what transferred?

Looks like more of a displacement this weekend to me. (#1210-18 at Chicago) I bet that might have something to do with this #26 bidirectional startup on Monday cause like what happened to 103rd's buses. #1041 - #1206 isn't going to fly, but I bet if we check artic transfers we'll see where the other shoe drops. And look who has extra buses, Chicago so they may be the one who lost artics.

That would make sense but they couldn't get the busses from anywhere else. Cause now Chicago basically has all high numbered busses the a small selection of lower number busses. Kinda stupid if you ask me. 

[jajuan]

2 hours ago, BusHunter said:

#1595-96 are still at 77th. #1588 did go to 74th. This is confusing. #1601 is still 77th. It doesn't appear np got #1800's from Chicago; kedzie seems to be hanging on to their #1800's too. The #1900's at np are still there. So what transferred?

Looks like more of a displacement this weekend to me. (#1210-18 at Chicago) I bet that might have something to do with this #26 bidirectional startup on Monday cause like what happened to 103rd's buses. #1041 - #1206 isn't going to fly, but I bet if we check artic transfers we'll see where the other shoe drops. And look who has extra buses, Chicago so they may be the one who lost artics.

Actually #26 isn't bidirectional outside of the last 4 NB trips linking to the the first 4 SB trips. But they shouldn't have needed that many more buses especially since the #26 has been mixed artics and 40 footers and the buses deadhead back to the start points after completing a trip. The expanded hours should be nothing more than doing that same set up for a few more hours.