ChicagoNova Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 4334 used by North Park on 151 Sheridan southbound to Union Station. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 It's a shame the lack of care people show another's property especially property paid for with our collective tax dollars. And some of these same geniuses make the odd argument that fares are going to go up because the CTA is getting new buses to replace old ones and in some cases simultaneously complain in the very same breath that too many old buses are still in use. That's Chicago for you. Nothing but political, non-ethical, conspiracist bs this city is plagued with. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChicagoNova Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 4340 on 148. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 24, 2014 Report Share Posted March 24, 2014 That's Chicago for you. Nothing but political, non-ethical, conspiracist bs this city is plagued with. I know every time I hear folks ask why so much money has to be spent to buy new buses, my response is always would they rather the CTA run buses through the ground and until they're falling apart around them with them on those buses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 #4338 is on #22 right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yeah it's pretty much established, the clean diesels formerly at Kedzie are now North Park buses. With the Blue Line rehab work scheduled to last four years, that'll probably be their home for quite a while. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTRSP1900-CTA3200 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Besides the Blue Line crash, today was just not a good day for the CTA, according to this site. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
garmon757 Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I know every time I hear folks ask why so much money has to be spent to buy new buses, my response is always would they rather the CTA run buses through the ground and until they're falling apart around them with them on those buses? That's because some people are just plain dumb with no knowledge how the CTA handles operations and vehicles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Besides the Blue Line crash, today was just not a good day for the CTA, according to this site. True but the other incidents that occurred didn't involve potential lapses and faults in safety operations either by an operator, inspectors, management or some combination of all three. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 4206-4207 NP to K 3/17 in trade for 4339-43404043-4049,4051 NP to K 3/24 in trade for 4206-4207, 4333-4338 (4206-4207 at K less than a week!)Chicago traded 1065-1082,1099 to 77th for 6448-6449,6451-6457 3/17, followed by 1045-1064 for 6428-6447 3/24FG traded 1191 to 77th for 6471 3/17, then 1083,1089,1192 (last) for 6468-6470 3/24CTA still insists 4170 at 103rd, where it has NEVER been. Always at North Park Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 4206-4207 NP to K 3/17 in trade for 4339-4340 4043-4049,4051 NP to K 3/24 in trade for 4206-4207, 4333-4338 (4206-4207 at K less than a week!) Chicago traded 1065-1082,1099 to 77th for 6448-6449,6451-6457 3/17, followed by 1045-1064 for 6428-6447 3/24 FG traded 1191 to 77th for 6471 3/17, then 1083,1089,1192 (last) for 6468-6470 3/24 CTA still insists 4170 at 103rd, where it has NEVER been. Always at North Park #1089's been at 77th the last week, can't say for sure about #1192, it might have been at south shops. #6468-70 at Fg is news to me. So nothing about #6501 being at Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Here is a thought - 6400's do not have driver shields. 77th has been having a lot of problems on their routes with assaults on drivers and objects thrown at drivers. Could this be why the Novas were moved out to ostensibly "safer" areas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 The #6800's to Fg I understand. I don't know if you would say 74th, fg, and Chicago are safe areas. Chicago has problems on the #20 with people either not paying fares or fraudulently trying to ride with fake passes and such before ventra. The #78 I hear has the same problems, some operators shy away from it for that reason. I really think the reason is to split them up so they won't be used that much, notice how the #6800's went in a block and the #6400's went all over. Plus what will happen with the #7900's. They will be used at safe FG,74th, and Chicago? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Current locations 6400-68836400-6401 74th6402 gone6403 74th6404 gone6405-6419 74th6420 gone6421-6427 74th6428-6449 Chicago6450 gone6451-6467 Chicago6468-6478 Forest Glen6479-6488 74th6489-6490 Forest Glen6491-6497 Chicago6498-6520 Forest Glen6521-6530 Chicago6531 gone6532-6567 Chicago6568 gone6569-6573 Chicago6574-6593 Forest Glen6594-6596 Chicago6597-6609 74th6610 gone6611-6691 74th6692-6725 Forest Glen6726 gone6727-6737 Forest Glen6738 gone6739-6831 Forest Glen6832 gone6833-6875 Forest glen6876-6883 74th 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Busjack Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 --- I thought 4206-4207 were returned to NP That's what andre said, but in a confusing manner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrethebusman Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Danger is comparative. Right now, the general worst area in the city for driver assaults seems to be in the 79th St corridor, from Ashland on east all the way to the lake. Cottage Grove and King Dr also are currently hot spots. 74th's territory such as Garfield, 63rd, etc also have their problems, but other 74th routes such as 59th, S California, Archer, west of Midway have relatively few. Same at Chicago Av. Thus is you are somewhat careful about what runs pull out what bus you can keep certain buses on certain streets. This was common years ago, when certain series went on certain streets but these days seems to be a very difficult task. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 Yeah your right, #6490 is on the #78 and #6469 is on the #92. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wordguy Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 #1089's been at 77th the last week, can't say for sure about #1192, it might have been at south shops. #6468-70 at Fg is news to me. So nothing about #6501 being at Chicago? Maybe it was 1189 (which hasn't appeared on BusTracker for a while) rather than 1089. As for 6501, it may be a loaner, which also may have been true for 6490 last week. (6490 boomeranged between FG and C). I posted on the roster thread yesterday after sighting 6468-69 on FG routes, as well as an update for 6490 (now back at The Glen). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 4333 was on the 93 earlier today. I didn't see it physically but when I was tracking 1397 at Peterson this afternoon to ride down to Swedish Covent's Erie Medical Center with my mom for her doctor's appointment 4333 was showing up on the tracker behind it. Given that it was it was about 4 PM and it was heading to the garage I surmised it was a school run for Mather High School. I'm curious to how the operator in 4333 handled negotiating it through that right turn onto Davis immediately after leaving the bus stop at that station with the intersection practically right there at the intersection. Yes it has the same turning radius of one of the D40LFs that regular operate on that route, but operators that drive a 4300 still don't seem to be used to steering one of those buses into a tighter turn like they are a 4000. And those buses are capable of bending as much as a 4000 during turns because I've seen them do so on the 156 when the buses turn onto Halsted to go into the terminal (though a lot of times operators on that route who are behind the wheel of a 4300 tend to want to start out in a wider turn). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 The #6800's to Fg I understand. I don't know if you would say 74th, fg, and Chicago are safe areas. Chicago has problems on the #20 with people either not paying fares or fraudulently trying to ride with fake passes and such before ventra. The #78 I hear has the same problems, some operators shy away from it for that reason. I really think the reason is to split them up so they won't be used that much, notice how the #6800's went in a block and the #6400's went all over. Plus what will happen with the #7900's. They will be used at safe FG,74th, and Chicago? That's what I'm getting.... a three garage setup of #7900's at FG, 74th and C. Who gets first dibs, I'm not sure... but this is for me over 50% probability the setup. Especially with FG deadheading all their New Flyers to 77th for Novas when they could've remained there until the 7900's show up. I don't believe the CTA will deadhead New Flyers from 77th to FG again after once before. That's mileage put on them needlessly... leave them where they are now and replace the old Novas with the new Novas where they are. We'll know for sure in approx. one month when #7900, #7901 and #7902 come in(or whatever three arrive first) when a forum member visually sees them on a route or gets a report from an insider what garage gets them first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 That's what I'm getting.... a three garage setup of #7900's at FG, 74th and C. Who gets first dibs, I'm not sure... but this is for me over 50% probability the setup. Especially with FG deadheading all their New Flyers to 77th for Novas when they could've remained there until the 7900's show up. I don't believe the CTA will deadhead New Flyers from 77th to FG again after once before. That's mileage put on them needlessly... leave them where they are now and replace the old Novas with the new Novas where they are. We'll know for sure in approx. one month when #7900, #7901 and #7902 come in(or whatever three arrive first) when a forum member visually sees them on a route or gets a report from an insider what garage gets them first. Glad to see you now agree that Chicago is a good contender for 7900s. I remember when I was first posing that thought before Chicago increased its Nova count that you were pretty adamant that it was only going to be 74th and FG. Even when CTA turned to Chicago to take on 77th's last Novas you were still sticking to your guns that Chicago's Novas get replaced by transferring in more NFs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Glad to see you now agree that Chicago is a good contender for 7900s. I remember when I was first posing that thought before Chicago increased its Nova count that you were pretty adamant that it was only going to be 74th and FG. Even when CTA turned to Chicago to take on 77th's last Novas you were still sticking to your guns that Chicago's Novas get replaced by transferring in more NFs. That was the decider for me... when Chicago had only a handful of Novas, it wasn't prudent as a handful of New Flyers could've been brought in, but now with 100 Novas there, the possibility is increased that #7900's will end up there... question now is how will they be split between the three? Even 100/100/100 split, or some uneven spread between the three? Ultimately, these three garages are looking more and more likely the candidates for #7900's. Only two questions remaining are how many/garage and who gets dibs first? Personally, based on age of garage, my choices(this is an even spread on 100/garage layout)... Forest Glen(all buses 12+ years old)(7900-7999)(8200-8349*) 74th(2nd highest total of Novas currently and slightly less New Flyer total vs. Nova total)(8000-8099) C(last candidate with largest quantity(136 total) and newest New Flyers assigned(Option #4 #1830-2029 built between 2008-2009).(8100-8199) *=If the 150 gets exercised, I would look for them to go to FG to finish off the #6400-Series Novas which will still be in service. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BusHunter Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I wouldn't count out 77th quite yet. if the novas were transferred for safety as Andre alleges, then 77th could easily ship back some NF's to FG in trade for #7900's. If chicago or 74th did that then they would easily become 3/4 Nova. The only other option is make FG all #7900. This would battle test the shields. It seems to make better sense to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sw4400 Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I wouldn't count out 77th quite yet. if the novas were transferred for safety as Andre alleges, then 77th could easily ship back some NF's to FG in trade for #7900's. If chicago or 74th did that then they would easily become 3/4 Nova. The only other option is make FG all #7900. This would battle test the shields. It seems to make better sense to me. Possible, but too much moving around of equipment to make reasonable sense(deadhead equipment from FG to 77th just to transfer 77th back to FG later on, putting more mileage on them? ). Dating back to the arrival of the #1000's, they went to garages with #5300-Series Flxibles, which was their intended target for retirement first(Archer, Chicago, Kedzie and 103rd) then a few years later, NP and 77th got them to retire the #4400-Series TMC's. 77th had Novas for years now, and many of their routes haven't changed in terms of safety and they got along fine with them at the time. This is most likely preparation for next month and subsequent months ahead. With not much changing with these Novas vs. the new ones aside from engine placement, many of the stock parts for the #6400's could be recycled to the new buses when needed, saving on parts costs(all of these parts should now be at the stockrooms of FG, 74th and C). They could've just survived with the Novas at 77th for one more month then... they have for years now. This has to be the groundwork for where the Novas are going. I remember how Archer's Flxibles went to Kedzie, seeing them on #50 for awhile, and suddenly one day New Flyers started showing up as they were phased out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jajuan Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 That was the decider for me... when Chicago had only a handful of Novas, it wasn't prudent as a handful of New Flyers could've been brought in, but now with 100 Novas there, the possibility is increased that #7900's will end up there... question now is how will they be split between the three? Even 100/100/100 split, or some uneven spread between the three? Ultimately, these three garages are looking more and more likely the candidates for #7900's. Only two questions remaining are how many/garage and who gets dibs first? Personally, based on age of garage, my choices(this is an even spread on 100/garage layout)... Forest Glen(all buses 12+ years old)(7900-7999)(8200-8349*) 74th(2nd highest total of Novas currently and slightly less New Flyer total vs. Nova total)(8000-8099) C(last candidate with largest quantity(136 total) and newest New Flyers assigned(Option #4 #1830-2029 built between 2008-2009).(8100-8199) *=If the 150 gets exercised, I would look for them to go to FG to finish off the #6400-Series Novas which will still be in service. And why wasn't it prudent? 60-something Novas is no small amount of buses. As I recall, 69th pretty much had slightly more TMCs than Chicago's previous Nova counts and still managed to get 6000s when the 6000s were still new and in the process of delivery. By your thinking they could have just moved Americanas or Flyer D901As around to knock out remaining Fishbowls and instead just given 69th more TMCs or even Flx 5300s, both of which at that time were half the age of the current NF D40LFs are now on average. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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