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[artthouwill]

He said a 3200 work train, not car 3200.    In his original post. @Shannon CVPIhas a video captioned 3200 series work train. 3200 work train means it's a 3200 series train.  Car 3200 ww all know is part of the 2600 series.  Even though we call each rail series 00, the first car in each series actual starts with xx01.

5 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1051 said:

2600*

 

5 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

If you look closely you'll see car 3200 is in the consist which is what he was referring to.

 

[Mr.NewFlyer1051]

10 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

If you look closely you'll see car 3200 is in the consist which is what he was referring to.

aha…didn’t catch that one thx

[Bus1883]

On 10/18/2022 at 11:10 AM, Shannoncvpi said:

Seen a 3200 work train creeping on the blue line this morning 

That’s actually a 2600-series unit, car #3200 is a 2600 and has been off and on between work service and revenue service I hope CTA keeps this one which I’m pretty sure they will, the 3200-series start at 3201-3457.

[Busjack]

34 minutes ago, Bus1883 said:

That’s actually a 2600-series unit, car #3200 is a 2600 and has been off and on between work service and revenue service I hope CTA keeps this one which I’m pretty sure they will, the 3200-series start at 3201-3457.

It goes by too fast, but clicking frame by frame shows 3200-3199, and there's no fluting, so you're correct.

[Shannoncvpi]

7 hours ago, Busjack said:

It goes by too fast, but clicking frame by frame shows 3200-3199, and there's no fluting, so you're correct.

Yea the lead car was a 3200

[Shannoncvpi]

20 hours ago, Mr.NewFlyer1051 said:

2600*

I was saying by the lead car was a 3200

[MTRSP1900-CTA3200]

I’ve also never seen the 3200 used as work motors, it’s usually the 2400s modified for that purpose or 2600 Series. The last work train I saw had 2600s up front and 2400s in the back sandwiching a flat car going towards Harlem. It should be possible though. There are pictures of 3200s with a flat car during a CERA fan trip.

[artthouwill]

On 10/19/2022 at 7:49 PM, Shannoncvpi said:

I was saying by the lead car was a 3200

But car 3200 is NOT a 3200 series car.   It's a 2600 series car.  The 3200 series starts with 3201.

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

But car 3200 is NOT a 3200 series car.   It's a 2600 series car.  The 3200 series starts with 3201.

We got that much. But the first 2 cars in the video, even stepping it, are too indistinct to make out numbers, and they may have fluted sides, so I pass on that.

[Bus1883]

2 hours ago, artthouwill said:

But car 3200 is NOT a 3200 series car.   It's a 2600 series car.  The 3200 series starts with 3201.

Scrolling through the entire video is all 2600’s in the consist

[Bus1883]

3 hours ago, MTRSP1900-CTA3200 said:

I’ve also never seen the 3200 used as work motors, it’s usually the 2400s modified for that purpose or 2600 Series. The last work train I saw had 2600s up front and 2400s in the back sandwiching a flat car going towards Harlem. It should be possible though. There are pictures of 3200s with a flat car during a CERA fan trip.

With that being said the 3200’s are not compatible for work service so that is why you’ll see a 2400 or 2600. 

[Shannoncvpi]

On 10/19/2022 at 11:52 AM, Bus1883 said:

That’s actually a 2600-series unit, car #3200 is a 2600 and has been off and on between work service and revenue service I hope CTA keeps this one which I’m pretty sure they will, the 3200-series start at 3201-3457.

Well it must have been renumbered or some or yet if it's a 2600 car then why they put 3200 & 3199 on the cars 

[Bus1883]

39 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Well it must have been renumbered or some or yet if it's a 2600 car then why they put 3200 & 3199 on the cars 

No actually #3199-3200 was never renumbered it’s been numbered like that since they were built, CTA ordered 600 cars in the 2600-series numbered 2601 thru 3200. Note: These cars are very important not only has #3199-3200 been the last cars built in the series but they’ve were the last ones built by Budd Company in 1987, after that Budd close down its railcar business for good. Same with the 2400-series numbered #2401-2600 there was a car numbered #2600 in the 2400-series.

[Shannoncvpi]

8 hours ago, Bus1883 said:

No actually #3199-3200 was never renumbered it’s been numbered like that since they were built, CTA ordered 600 cars in the 2600-series numbered 2601 thru 3200. Note: These cars are very important not only has #3199-3200 been the last cars built in the series but they’ve were the last ones built by Budd Company in 1987, after that Budd close down its railcar business for good. Same with the 2400-series numbered #2401-2600 there was a car numbered #2600 in the 2400-series.

Aw ok didn't know that I just learned some new 

[artthouwill]

10 hours ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Well it must have been renumbered or some or yet if it's a 2600 car then why they put 3200 & 3199 on the cars 

Rail series cars actually start at xx01

  For instance, the FIRST 2600 series car is actually 2601 which is paired with 2602.  The FIRST 3200 series car is 3201 which is paired with 3202.  The FIRST  5000 series car is 5001 which is paired with 5002.  The last cars are 5713 and 5714.  The last 2600s are 3199 and 3200

  I believe the last 2400s were 2599 and 2600.  Rail series cars start with xx01 and buses start with xx00.

Rail cars 3457 and 3458 are renumbered.  3457 is a 3200 series car and 3458 is a 2600 series car.  I don't know why CTA decided to renumbered those two cars when there were examples of mismatched numbered cars being paired together.  I think there was a 2400 and 2500 mismatched pair and another set somewhere in the 2600 series.

[Busjack]

1 hour ago, artthouwill said:

Rail cars 3457 and 3458 are renumbered.  3457 is a 3200 series car

3457 was ordered as a mate to the other car that lost its mate, so it wasn't renumbered (reference on chicago.l-org) :

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Before the order was completed, an additional car was added to the order -- bringing the total to 257 cars -- which was paired with 2600-series car 3032, whose mate was damaged in an accident. Car 3032 was renumbered 3458 on February 25, 1994, and paired with car 3457, created the first "mis-mate" that consisted of two cars of different series.

The last time this came up, a reference was made to the last Budd car, which was 3200.

 

[Bus1883]

2 hours ago, artthouwill said:

Rail series cars actually start at xx01

  For instance, the FIRST 2600 series car is actually 2601 which is paired with 2602.  The FIRST 3200 series car is 3201 which is paired with 3202.  The FIRST  5000 series car is 5001 which is paired with 5002.  The last cars are 5713 and 5714.  The last 2600s are 3199 and 3200

  I believe the last 2400s were 2599 and 2600.  Rail series cars start with xx01 and buses start with xx00.

Rail cars 3457 and 3458 are renumbered.  3457 is a 3200 series car and 3458 is a 2600 series car.  I don't know why CTA decided to renumbered those two cars when there were examples of mismatched numbered cars being paired together.  I think there was a 2400 and 2500 mismatched pair and another set somewhere in the 2600 series.

#2721-2632, #2791-2856, #2979-3112 are the other three pairs besides #3457-3458

[Mr.NewFlyer1051]

43 minutes ago, Bus1883 said:

#2721-2632, #2791-2856, #2979-3112 are the other three pairs besides #3457-3458

3351-3447(8?)

[Bus1883]

59 minutes ago, Mr.NewFlyer1051 said:

3351-3447(8?)

3448

[Shannoncvpi]

On 10/24/2022 at 9:13 AM, artthouwill said:

Rail series cars actually start at xx01

  For instance, the FIRST 2600 series car is actually 2601 which is paired with 2602.  The FIRST 3200 series car is 3201 which is paired with 3202.  The FIRST  5000 series car is 5001 which is paired with 5002.  The last cars are 5713 and 5714.  The last 2600s are 3199 and 3200

  I believe the last 2400s were 2599 and 2600.  Rail series cars start with xx01 and buses start with xx00.

Rail cars 3457 and 3458 are renumbered.  3457 is a 3200 series car and 3458 is a 2600 series car.  I don't know why CTA decided to renumbered those two cars when there were examples of mismatched numbered cars being paired together.  I think there was a 2400 and 2500 mismatched pair and another set somewhere in the 2600 series.

Dam that's mind boggling so I wonder what is car 7000 actually number 

[artthouwill]

1 hour ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Dam that's mind boggling so I wonder what is car 7000 actually number 

There is no car 7000.  Even though we call it the 7000 series, the first car in that series is 7001.

[Shannoncvpi]

26 minutes ago, artthouwill said:

There is no car 7000.  Even though we call it the 7000 series, the first car in that series is 7001.

Wait so there is no 7000 car number that the numbers start at 7001 is it the same way with the buses like 8300 don't really exist it just starts at 8301

[Guest ChicagoRail]

2 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Wait so there is no 7000 car number that the numbers start at 7001 is it the same way with the buses like 8300 don't really exist it just starts at 8301

When it comes to buses, the 8300 Series starts with 8300. With rail cars, it's different. They start with 7001 for the 7000 Series, even as they did for the 2000 Series with 2001, 2200 Series with 2201, 2400 Series with 2401, 2600 Series with 2601, 3200 Series with 3201, & 5000 Series with 5001.

[Busjack]

13 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Wait so there is no 7000 car number that the numbers start at 7001 is it the same way with the buses like 8300 don't really exist it just starts at 8301

 

9 minutes ago, ChicagoRail said:

When it comes to buses, the 8300 Series starts with 8300. With rail cars, it's different. They start with 7001 for the 7000 Series, even as they did for the 2000 Series with 2001, 2200 Series with 2201, 2400 Series with 2401, 2600 Series with 2601, 3200 Series with 3201, & 5000 Series with 5001.

Of course, we are talking hypothetically, as bus 8300 is a 7900.

On 10/24/2022 at 11:47 AM, Bus1883 said:

#2721-2632, #2791-2856, #2979-3112 are the other three pairs besides #3457-3458

Which brings up another numbering issue, With 6721-6722 and 2351-2352, mismatches were renumberd because there were gaps after the series ended. However, there wasn't any gao after 2400 series car 2600 and 2600 series car 3200, so the original numbers were retained. There is a gap after 3456, so 3457-8 could be used.

[Bus1883]

22 minutes ago, Busjack said:

 

Of course, we are talking hypothetically, as bus 8300 is a 7900.

Which brings up another numbering issue, With 6721-6722 and 2351-2352, mismatches were renumberd because there were gaps after the series ended. However, there wasn't any gao after 2400 series car 2600 and 2600 series car 3200, so the original numbers were retained. There is a gap after 3456, so 3457-8 could be used.

I would say this 3455-3456 would have been the last 3200s in the 3200-series if 3457 was never ordered to keep former 3032 alive however they’re the last 3200s with roofboards. I’m guessing the scenario is if a railcar gets badly damaged in a accident if it’s mate wasn’t damaged at all then perhaps the mate won’t be renumbered but just paired with another car depending if another set of cars were involved in accidents resulting with one car damaged. Example: 3352 collided with a car and derailed at Kedzie and was retired afterwards while 3351 wasn’t. 3447 was T-boned in the kimball yard which resulted it being retired and 3448 wasn’t injured. That’s why 3351-3448 were mated without any renumbering. 3031 of course smacked a switch at Wilson station and was retired after, 3458 aka 3032 survived but needed a new mate if that one was retired then that would have left 3455-3456 to be the last 3200s.