7000-series - Delivery & Updates

[NovaBusFan]

1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

They might have to explore removing the roof boards cause like you say those cars will be orphaned from the system. IRM would probably like those cars but it cant use a pan system. Somewhere down the line they might have to equip it though. They got a few pan trains like the NEC trains. I think they have a GG1

I think its a GG1 they have. When they retire I have a feeling IRM will buy one of the roof board #3200s. I think those roof boards are permanent in the ones that still have them, if CTA tries to take them off they’ll have bite marks. Lol!!!

[Sam92]

15 minutes ago, NovaBusFan said:

What if they made a 130 street bus route that serves 130th but the 130 is the Museum Campus.

Nothing to stop from a renunbering though 

[Sam92]

1 hour ago, BusHunter said:

Do you think when the 130th red line extension gets built they might want to construct a turn track somewhere out south. Basically all 130 would serve is the altgeld gardens unless they could fan in riders from hegewisch. They would need a bus line though. The yard was supposed to be constructed north of 130th so they could always do like rosemont and miss the first stiop. 

Here’s the middle track that’s supposed to be installed up north that I mentioned 

[BusHunter]

47 minutes ago, Sam92 said:

Here’s the middle track that’s supposed to be installed up north that I mentioned 

Wow they have enough room for that. Thats a 5 track layout. 

[NovaBusFan]

1 hour ago, Sam92 said:

Nothing to stop from a renunbering though 

True 

[NewFlyerMCI]

1 hour ago, NovaBusFan said:

What if they made a 130 street bus route that serves 130th but the 130 is the Museum Campus.

130th St for the time that it's in city limits isn't even 4 miles long, and ~2 of those miles present no place for a bus to stop or places to serve that need a bus line. The 34 would probably be rerouted to be bidirectional in the gardens and the 30 might be extended, along with various other Pace reroutes

[NewFlyerMCI]

2 hours ago, Sam92 said:

Depends. The trouble with this is the load balancing if they don’t decide to start using purple to alternate with reds up north to stop sending unnecessary reds out south. The extension is spreading everyone out and making the far south routes straighter as a result since they don’t have to curve up to 95th so turnbacks are a question of will there be any big enough drop off after a certain point south to warrant a turnback. Apparently put-ins from 98th are gonna be a no go according to documents (something to do with inefficient movements). When I lived south and close enough to the red line, during rush hours trains came into 95th with a lot of people switching to 34 or whatever corridor they wanted. If they still build a turnback at argyle then MAYBE some Argyle to 63rd trains can help. Trains from 130th can handle the heaviest hitting stations which are 69th, 79th and 95th then 63rd an empty train can come in and help ease the loads. Maybe 3-4 min argyle-63rd and 4-8 min on the outer ends? 

That's similar to what WMATA's Red Line used to do. During peak, some trains would run from Silver Spring to Grosvenor-Strathmore instead of Glenmont to Shady Grove. However, that proved very unpopular over the years, and the Silver Spring turnback was eliminated first, then the Grosvenor turnback.

I think one issue with this is the political fallout, as people outside of the Argyle to 63rd area would have problems with the perceived appearance of less trains (however true or false that might be), especially since transit initiatives and changes are notoriously miscommunicated to the general public.

Also, because I'm having trouble understanding, are you also proposing 130th-63rd trains in addition to Argyle-63rd and Howard-95th trains?

For everyone's edification, Red Line South ridership (March 2019 Wkdy) (originally did May, but didn't want baseball season to skew)

1. 95th - 8827
2. 79th - 5933
3. 69th - 4372
4. 35th - 3729
5. 87th - 3638
6. 63rd - 2874
7. 55th - 2773
8. 47th - 2608

NSML

1. Wilson - 6690
2. Addison - 5240
3. Howard - 5189
4. Loyola - 5175
5. Sheridan - 4871
6. Bryn Mawr - 4500
7. Morse - 4307
8. Granville - 3835
9. Berwyn - 3209
10. Thorndale - 3016
11. Lawrence - 3007
12. Argyle - 2943
13. Jarvis - 1499

[Sam92]

35 minutes ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

That's similar to what WMATA's Red Line used to do. During peak, some trains would run from Silver Spring to Grosvenor-Strathmore instead of Glenmont to Shady Grove. However, that proved very unpopular over the years, and the Silver Spring turnback was eliminated first, then the Grosvenor turnback.

I think one issue with this is the political fallout, as people outside of the Argyle to 63rd area would have problems with the perceived appearance of less trains (however true or false that might be), especially since transit initiatives and changes are notoriously miscommunicated to the general public.

Also, because I'm having trouble understanding, are you also proposing 130th-63rd trains in addition to Argyle-63rd and Howard-95th trains?

For everyone's edification, Red Line South ridership (March 2019 Wkdy) (originally did May, but didn't want baseball season to skew)

1. 95th - 8827
2. 79th - 5933
3. 69th - 4372
4. 35th - 3729
5. 87th - 3638
6. 63rd - 2874
7. 55th - 2773
8. 47th - 2608

NSML

1. Wilson - 6690
2. Addison - 5240
3. Howard - 5189
4. Loyola - 5175
5. Sheridan - 4871
6. Bryn Mawr - 4500
7. Morse - 4307
8. Granville - 3835
9. Berwyn - 3209
10. Thorndale - 3016
11. Lawrence - 3007
12. Argyle - 2943
13. Jarvis - 1499

I’m proposing either use purple to eliminate some reds but if they don’t do that then use the middle tracks to help put empty trains where they’re needed so you’d have Howard to 130th trains alternating with Argyle to 63rd trains in the peak. That way not too many reverse peak trains making a long trip on the Dan Ryan side. 

[NewFlyerMCI]

1 hour ago, Sam92 said:

I’m proposing either use purple to eliminate some reds but if they don’t do that then use the middle tracks to help put empty trains where they’re needed so you’d have Howard to 130th trains alternating with Argyle to 63rd trains in the peak. That way not too many reverse peak trains making a long trip on the Dan Ryan side. 

Ah, gotcha. It seems like they just barely have the space to do that, which is about 1000 ft, which is how long 63rd's is (technically ~1500 ft, but ~1000 ft is the space btwn the interlockings). I'd actually be in favor of a service setup like that (peak only?), especially if they can ever figure out a way to double platform Loyola for Purple Line Express service. I still don't know why that station has a ~1000 ft long platform. I don't think it can get any narrower either (although no one's beating 35th-B'ville-IIT)

[klabstep]

What happened to the 7000 Series topic?

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

46 minutes ago, klabstep said:

What happened to the 7000 Series topic?

There’s been no reports of 7K series somewhere else recently or they probably lost interest.

[artthouwill]

29 minutes ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

There’s been no reports of 7K series somewhere else recently or they probably lost interest.

The Brown line testing should be done by now.  The Green Line is the only route that has yet to see them.   The Blue Line gad two rounds of testing so far.  We just have to see what happens next and who spots them.

[Erin Mishkin Jr.]

Just now, artthouwill said:

The Brown line testing should be done by now.  The Green Line is the only route that has yet to see them.   The Blue Line gad two rounds of testing so far.  We just have to see what happens next and who spots them.

lets hope i get them on green during their run

[NewFlyerMCI]

13 hours ago, artthouwill said:

The Brown line testing should be done by now.  The Green Line is the only route that has yet to see them.   The Blue Line gad two rounds of testing so far.  We just have to see what happens next and who spots them.

I swear they weren't actually on the Brown Line. I was looking for them for 7 combined days, nothing. And all the usual videos on Twitter/Instagram from area railfanners weren't taken like they usually are.

[Mr.NewFlyer1051]

1 hour ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

I swear they weren't actually on the Brown Line. I was looking for them for 7 combined days, nothing. And all the usual videos on Twitter/Instagram from area railfanners weren't taken like they usually are.

usually carch them at kimball in between noon and 1:20pm these last few days they were in kimball yard so this might be the last week testing on the brown line 

[joechicago]

10 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

I swear they weren't actually on the Brown Line. I was looking for them for 7 combined days, nothing. And all the usual videos on Twitter/Instagram from area railfanners weren't taken like they usually are.

I got lucky and rode them twice on the Brown line, once in the morning and once in the evening.

[Brandon93]

On 11/7/2021 at 9:34 PM, artthouwill said:

The Brown line testing should be done by now.  The Green Line is the only route that has yet to see them.   The Blue Line gad two rounds of testing so far.  We just have to see what happens next and who spots them.

It can be Green or Red on the 95th side. Howard operators had their turn, and Blue Line operators on the FP side have to have a turn as well.

[Mr.NewFlyer1051]

1 hour ago, Brandon93 said:

It can be Green or Red on the 95th side. Howard operators had their turn, and Blue Line operators on the FP side have to have a turn as well.

7000’s are still out of kimball 

[NewFlyerMCI]

4 hours ago, Brandon93 said:

It can be Green or Red on the 95th side. Howard operators had their turn, and Blue Line operators on the FP side have to have a turn as well.

Pretty sure the 7000s ran full length on the Red & Blue Lines. Green Line is the only one left.

[Mr.NewFlyer1051]

4 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

Pretty sure the 7000s ran full length on the Red & Blue Lines. Green Line is the only one left.

yes 7000’s already ran full length on both lines green is the only one left 

[Sam92]

7 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

Pretty sure the 7000s ran full length on the Red & Blue Lines. Green Line is the only one left.

Well they have no choice to run the full length lol. I think he’s saying sides as in which yard is  using and this getting trained

[NovaBusFan]

20 hours ago, Brandon93 said:

It can be Green or Red on the 95th side. Howard operators had their turn, and Blue Line operators on the FP side have to have a turn as well.

No Blue Line doesn’t need them anymore for testing lol they had the #7000s three times I believe, back in April to mid May earlier this year the second time when they went down there was when the left Howard after they finished testing on the Yellow or Purple last, until they get assigned there are on that line. 

[NewFlyerMCI]

11 hours ago, Sam92 said:

Well they have no choice to run the full length lol. I think he’s saying sides as in which yard is  using and this getting trained

Didn't realize that the yards determined testing, or that it even mattered. Wouldn't operator training come after CTA has started taking delivery of more trains?

[garmon757]

The 7000s will shift to the Green Line after the conclusion of familiarization training with the Blue Line Operators and Switchworkers at Kimball. 

[BusHunter]

51 minutes ago, garmon757 said:

The 7000s will shift to the Green Line after the conclusion of familiarization training with the Blue Line Operators and Switchworkers at Kimball. 

Hmm familarization training??? Why get familiar with something that wont be on the line or will it??? 

I wonder then will the order be starting to arrive soon. I thought more like May 2022 but maybe not.