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On 3/8/2021 at 8:03 PM, YoungBusLover said:

About 75% to 80% of the #6000s that were rehabbed out of 74th during the time they had the entire fleet practically. 74th couldn't keep up with that demand of maintenance they required for such an aging fleet. The #6000s were braking down everywhere outside of 74th. Needless to say I still stand by my point about a decent batch of them making it to 2014-2015. At least 100 of them at best spread between 74th,77th,FG,103rd and Chicago Ave. The smaller the blocks the better off they are to maintain at each garage.

At that time, the 6000s were split between 74th and FG.  FG still had 6409s white 74th was exclusively 6000s.  With that setup, there might've been a handful of nuses that made it past 2010.  Split among more garages,  they would last longer only because they would more likely be spares and used only on an as needed basis.  With FG  having a light weekend load, it could rest most of its 6099s and use a lot of them for rush only service.  74th couldn't and we saw the results of that.  Even now, FG has the benefit of having 7900s and 1000s, otherwise they would be the new 74th of the 6400s.

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On 3/8/2021 at 9:52 AM, artthouwill said:

I agreed with you until the 6000s.  Those buses were breaking down at such a high rate, CTA had to adjust deliveries so that 74th got 1000s when they went slated to get them.  Finally when Archer closed and the X routes were cut, the 6000s were retired and stored at Archer.  Along with the 5800s, the 6000s had the shortest life spans of any series besides the NABIS. 

 

Yeah doomsday accelerated what was already coming soon at the time because of the mechanical issues with the 6000s at that point. It wasn't just the motors from what I remember. It was also the lifts giving problems. I observed plenty of times operators having to give several tries to get the lift back into alignment with the steps after deploying it for a wheelchair or a rider who had trouble negotiating the stairs. I still remember on drastic instance when I got off one running on the 12 at Roosevelt and Western, and as the operator deployed the lift to let on a wheelchair passenger, somehow the hydraulic line to the lift failed causing hydraulic fluid to gush all over the street at the front of the bus and of course the lift to fail. 

On 3/8/2021 at 12:44 PM, Shannoncvpi said:

Yea they did if doom day never happened they could have ran till 15-2017 like I had said they was fresh out of rehab when they was knocked off

Given how hard CTA was touting how much faster and easier for ramps to use on low floor buses than the lifts on a high floor bus at the time they had 1000s really rolling into service in full force, I doubt that the 6000s would have made it to 2015 let alone 2017. I really think that the high maintenance needed to keep the lifts going on top of that needed to keep the engines running had CTA wanting those buses gone as fast as possible. Drivers hated driving them by that point because of how often they had engine or lift problems. Passengers weren't necessarily liking them any better. I still remember a few grumbles from some folks of why CTA was suddenly running so many of them on the 145 and 148 instead of more NFs during those first couple of months that Kedzie had taken control of those routes. This is possibly also why K started running these routes with practically all artics after a few months of getting them as outside of the height of peak direction rush service the 145/148 wasn't pulling artic level passenger loads. Basically the bus service cuts of 2010 simply gave them that opportunity for retirement faster than they were initially expecting. Heck, the fact that they gathered the 6000s all up and retired them as part of those cuts suggests CTA already wanted them off the roster ASAP.

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5 hours ago, jajuan said:

Yeah doomsday accelerated what was already coming soon at the time because of the mechanical issues with the 6000s at that point. It wasn't just the motors from what I remember. It was also the lifts giving problems. I observed plenty of times operators having to give several tries to get the lift back into alignment with the steps after deploying it for a wheelchair or a rider who had trouble negotiating the stairs. I still remember on drastic instance when I got off one running on the 12 at Roosevelt and Western, and as the operator deployed the lift to let on a wheelchair passenger, somehow the hydraulic line to the lift failed causing hydraulic fluid to gush all over the street at the front of the bus and of course the lift to fail. 

Given how hard CTA was touting how much faster and easier for ramps to use on low floor buses than the lifts on a high floor bus at the time they had 1000s really rolling into service in full force, I doubt that the 6000s would have made it to 2015 let alone 2017. I really think that the high maintenance needed to keep the lifts going on top of that needed to keep the engines running had CTA wanting those buses gone as fast as possible. Drivers hated driving them by that point because of how often they had engine or lift problems. Passengers weren't necessarily liking them any better. I still remember a few grumbles from some folks of why CTA was suddenly running so many of them on the 145 and 148 instead of more NFs during those first couple of months that Kedzie had taken control of those routes. This is possibly also why K started running these routes with practically all artics after a few months of getting them as outside of the height of peak direction rush service the 145/148 wasn't pulling artic level passenger loads. Basically the bus service cuts of 2010 simply gave them that opportunity for retirement faster than they were initially expecting. Heck, the fact that they gathered the 6000s all up and retired them as part of those cuts suggests CTA already wanted them off the roster ASAP.

Yea they was having issues with alot if them H they started having motor issues after a fresh rehab 

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5 hours ago, jajuan said:

Yeah doomsday accelerated what was already coming soon at the time because of the mechanical issues with the 6000s at that point. It wasn't just the motors from what I remember. It was also the lifts giving problems. I observed plenty of times operators having to give several tries to get the lift back into alignment with the steps after deploying it for a wheelchair or a rider who had trouble negotiating the stairs. I still remember on drastic instance when I got off one running on the 12 at Roosevelt and Western, and as the operator deployed the lift to let on a wheelchair passenger, somehow the hydraulic line to the lift failed causing hydraulic fluid to gush all over the street at the front of the bus and of course the lift to fail. 

Given how hard CTA was touting how much faster and easier for ramps to use on low floor buses than the lifts on a high floor bus at the time they had 1000s really rolling into service in full force, I doubt that the 6000s would have made it to 2015 let alone 2017. I really think that the high maintenance needed to keep the lifts going on top of that needed to keep the engines running had CTA wanting those buses gone as fast as possible. Drivers hated driving them by that point because of how often they had engine or lift problems. Passengers weren't necessarily liking them any better. I still remember a few grumbles from some folks of why CTA was suddenly running so many of them on the 145 and 148 instead of more NFs during those first couple of months that Kedzie had taken control of those routes. This is possibly also why K started running these routes with practically all artics after a few months of getting them as outside of the height of peak direction rush service the 145/148 wasn't pulling artic level passenger loads. Basically the bus service cuts of 2010 simply gave them that opportunity for retirement faster than they were initially expecting. Heck, the fact that they gathered the 6000s all up and retired them as part of those cuts suggests CTA already wanted them off the roster ASAP.

I know alot of them didnt get rehabbed but they was having the same issue with the ones that was rehabbed 

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28 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

Yea they was having issues with alot if them H they started having motor issues after a fresh rehab 

 

27 minutes ago, Shannoncvpi said:

I know alot of them didnt get rehabbed but they was having the same issue with the ones that was rehabbed 

Wow well at least the flyers working good and not having those issues as much

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I just saw a unusual nova heading northbound on cottage grove it had the front top look of a 6400 nova but the back end was of a 7900 series nova. Have the new novas arrived or something?? I could’ve very well been tweaking tho but in case I wasn’t that’s what I saw lol.

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17 minutes ago, Mr.cta85 said:

I just saw a unusual nova heading northbound on cottage grove it had the front top look of a 6400 nova but the back end was of a 7900 series nova. Have the new novas arrived or something?? I could’ve very well been tweaking tho but in case I wasn’t that’s what I saw lol.

Highway hypnosis after a block run ?? but idk it’s easy for me to get them mixed up from the front 

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21 hours ago, artthouwill said:

At that time, the 6000s were split between 74th and FG.  FG still had 6409s white 74th was exclusively 6000s.  With that setup, there might've been a handful of buses that made it past 2010.  Split among more garages,  they would last longer only because they would more likely be spares and used only on an as needed basis.  With FG  having a light weekend load, it could rest most of its 6099s and use a lot of them for rush only service.  74th couldn't and we saw the results of that.  Even now, FG has the benefit of having 7900s and 1000s, otherwise they would be the new 74th of the 6400s.

Yeah that's true, that's how it should of been during that time because giving 74th a majority of them for that length of time was just detrimental. If 124 could of made it past 2010 while the other 124 out of 249 were retired and salvaged for parts who knows how long they could of lasted as spares. I retract my year to maybe 2013 then which would of come in handy for I guess spares for the red line shuttles even though the 4300's were already in service but you never know. I agree with you about FG nearly becoming the new 74th as far as old equipment is concerned.

 

 

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1 hour ago, Mr.cta85 said:

I just saw a unusual nova heading northbound on cottage grove it had the front top look of a 6400 nova but the back end was of a 7900 series nova. Have the new novas arrived or something?? I could’ve very well been tweaking tho but in case I wasn’t that’s what I saw lol.

That bus could be a 2008 or 2009 or 2010 model, but I don’t know. That’s very  weird did you get the number of that bus?

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3 hours ago, YoungBusLover said:

Yeah that's true, that's how it should of been during that time because giving 74th a majority of them for that length of time was just detrimental. If 124 could of made it past 2010 while the other 124 out of 249 were retired and salvaged for parts who knows how long they could of lasted as spares. I retract my year to maybe 2013 then which would of come in handy for I guess spares for the red line shuttles even though the 4300's were already in service but you never know. I agree with you about FG nearly becoming the new 74th as far as old equipment is concerned.

 

 

At 1 time FG was the new day & age of 6 they had all 00-02 novas in 13-14 into 15 then thats when they started getting flyers 

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3 hours ago, Erin Mishkin Jr. said:

That bus could be a 2008 or 2009 or 2010 model, but I don’t know. That’s very  weird did you get the number of that bus?

Naw I was a good block and a half west of cottage grove on 89th and I saw it through my rear view mirror. I would’ve drove to catch up with the bus but I had to be somewhere at 9am and didn’t wanna be late. But I think I was just trippin and didn’t really see what I thought I saw lol.

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44 minutes ago, Mr.cta85 said:

Naw I was a good block and a half west of cottage grove on 89th and I saw it through my rear view mirror. I would’ve drove to catch up with the bus but I had to be somewhere at 9am and didn’t wanna be late. But I think I was just trippin and didn’t really see what I thought I saw lol.

Oh lol

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2 hours ago, Mr.cta85 said:

Naw I was a good block and a half west of cottage grove on 89th and I saw it through my rear view mirror. I would’ve drove to catch up with the bus but I had to be somewhere at 9am and didn’t wanna be late. But I think I was just trippin and didn’t really see what I thought I saw lol.

The bus you saw was #7955, the top section where the roof covering is recently got torn off, I remember seeing that bus on the expressway dead heading northbound and the covering was just flapping like crazy from the turbulence. So no you're not crazy by any means. ???? It does look very unique to its counterparts right now but I hope maintenance fixes that. This is what #7955 looks like right now though.

Nova_Bus_LFS_demo-2013-a.jpg

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1 hour ago, YoungBusLover said:

The bus you saw was #7955, the top section where the roof covering is recently got torn off, I remember seeing that bus on the expressway dead heading northbound and the covering was just flapping like crazy from the turbulence. So no you're not crazy by any means. ???? It does look very unique to its counterparts right now but I hope maintenance fixes that. This is what #7955 looks like right now though.

Nova_Bus_LFS_demo-2013-a.jpg

Ooh. Mta New York has nova’s from 2015 and 2016 that have the same fleet numbers as some of Cta’s nova lfs buses starting at 8090 look just like that without that front roof fin too.

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