Jump to content
Kevin

Red & Purple Modernization Project (RPM)

Recommended Posts

12 hours ago, Sam92 said:

  Lawerence-Bryn Mawr along with the Belmont flyover got the contract approved and is slated to start fall 2019

The Lawrence segment is not to be completed until 2025. Ouch. Theres going to be alot of pain getting through all the detours but it needs repairs more than the far north main because for one all the key stops like Loyola and granville are already accessible. The flyover seems necessary. Dont know what it will do for the community but similar areas like 18th and state seem to be thriving so housing will come back it will just build around it. Straightening all those goofy turns north of clark jun should speed up the traffic. That will help that already congested corridor.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

CTA claims that they will get eight more red line trains per hour from the flyover. 

I'm not sure if capacity will increase for Brown/Purple, as those routes are also limited by capacity problems on the Loop. The flyover will make Brown and Purple line rides slightly faster though. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, BusHunter said:

The Lawrence segment is not to be completed until 2025. Ouch. Theres going to be alot of pain getting through all the detours but it needs repairs more than the far north main because for one all the key stops like Loyola and granville are already accessible. The flyover seems necessary. Dont know what it will do for the community but similar areas like 18th and state seem to be thriving so housing will come back it will just build around it. Straightening all those goofy turns north of clark jun should speed up the traffic. That will help that already congested corridor.

I think your 18th & State comparison isn't valid.   When originally built,the Dan Ryan and SSM trains ran on separate tracks and didn't  cross over each other.  While eliminating Red Line conflicts, Brown and Purple conflicts continue.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, artthouwill said:

I think your 18th & State comparison isn't valid.   When originally built,the Dan Ryan and SSM trains ran on separate tracks and didn't  cross over each other.  While eliminating Red Line conflicts, Brown and Purple conflicts continue.  

His comparison is only about property values. 18th and State area was about abandoned in about 1969. Now it is the focus of the South Loop, and a block or 2 away from the proposed Neighborhood 78.

I didn't think that the Clark Flyover would fly because the environmental statement would have to include the cost of demolishing the buildings along Wilton, including the condo, but since CTA got the money to do that by now, that's not going to be a deterrent.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
10 hours ago, artthouwill said:

I think your 18th & State comparison isn't valid.   When originally built,the Dan Ryan and SSM trains ran on separate tracks and didn't  cross over each other.  While eliminating Red Line conflicts, Brown and Purple conflicts continue.  

That's not a flyover??? I was eyeing it the other day and looking how the piers were engineered all along the sb crosswalk and thinking that it wasnt really engineered that bad. They eliminated an over the street concept which really detracts from the street itself. While it is a big structure this is the city and things like this can happen. I think overall it was built in a best taste scenario. Why should wrigleyville get special treatment. Flyovers have been built in Englewood and no one complained. Just because someone with clout might live there doesnt make it immune. Its feeding the needs of the many for years to come. We should be happy cta is doing something about it. I know south siders are still waiting for the 130th extension. They wait and wait and wait. So when is it coming? 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, BusHunter said:

That's not a flyover??? I was eyeing it the other day and looking how the piers were engineered all along the sb crosswalk and thinking that it wasnt really engineered that bad. They eliminated an over the street concept which really detracts from the street itself. While it is a big structure this is the city and things like this can happen. I think overall it was built in a best taste scenario. Why should wrigleyville get special treatment. Flyovers have been built in Englewood and no one complained. Just because someone with clout might live there doesnt make it immune. Its feeding the needs of the many for years to come. We should be happy cta is doing something about it. I know south siders are still waiting for the 130th extension. They wait and wait and wait. So when is it coming? 

I'm not saying 18th isn't a  flyover.  Neither am I complaining about aesthetics concerning the Brown Line  flyover.  I just thought the Brown Line  flyover wasn't necessary and I don't believe CTA can add 8 train in hour during peak times because of a flyover.  A 30 second wait for a Brown Line train to pass isn't that big of a deal.  

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, artthouwill said:

 I just thought the Brown Line  flyover wasn't necessary and I don't believe CTA can add 8 train in hour during peak times because of a flyover.

It's undoubtedly 4 trains each way.

4 hours ago, artthouwill said:

A 30 second wait for a Brown Line train to pass isn't that big of a deal.  

But with the Brown Line running every 4 to 6 minutes (10-15 trains/hour each way; I suppose only NB Brown Line is relevant) during rush hour, it adds up.

  • Upvote 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

The EA claims that currently the Red Line runs 21-23 TPH (schedules show 20 TPH - every 3 mins) so increasing by eight to 30 TPH (2 mins) seems to be realistic. Once the flyover is added, the limiting factor of the Red Line will be the terminals at 95th and Howard. 

Currently the shared Brown/Purple between Belmont and the Mart is in the range of 26-27 TPH, IIRC. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 12/14/2018 at 5:00 AM, artthouwill said:

I'm not saying 18th isn't a  flyover.  Neither am I complaining about aesthetics concerning the Brown Line  flyover.  I just thought the Brown Line  flyover wasn't necessary and I don't believe CTA can add 8 train in hour during peak times because of a flyover.  A 30 second wait for a Brown Line train to pass isn't that big of a deal.  

The brown line flyover is alot more than just the brown line. The current config is blocking all sb and nb traffic through clark jct. So it affects all lines. Plus the curve straightening will help alot. You could conceivably have 35 -40 mph runs between addison and belmont. Plus the traffic then spirals into other delays like red line north delays which then puts up to a 3 train crowd at belmont nb. They try to hold trains back if there bunched but then that screws around with scheduling at kimball so although it may not seem like a wise thing doing the flyover, logistically it is. 

  • Upvote 1
  • Like 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Yeah they are going to need to prep if they want to shut down track 1. Track 2 is going to have to take the brunt of it. Good news is that the purple line only runs in the rush. They probably should just let the trains switch over south of belmont red instead of north. Regardless though they are going to have delays. It going to be like having 2 clark junctions back to back. It will be interesting. You know if they could put a switch in north of clark jun at the 6 car mark. They could get rid of that delay for a little bit of time but they would probably want to do the whole track one at one time. Might be smarter to build the flyover first get rid of the brown and work on the structure then. Lots of planning will be needed.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, Pace831 said:

Sun-Times: RPM project will require Berwyn, Lawrence stations to be closed for three years.

Hmm. Still of the thought that Lawrence should be shuttered and Berwyn moved to Foster, but I'm glad to see the work is finally starting. My predictions:

  • Increased service on the 36, 136, 146, 147 & 151 (possibly artics for the 36 if they can fit on Broadway)
  • 148 extended to Berwyn
  • I was going to say 84 rerouted to Thorndale but then I read that Bryn Mawr is getting a temporary station
  • 92 rerouted to Lawrence or Wilson

Or maybe they'll just run a shuttle xD

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
16 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

Hmm. Still of the thought that Lawrence should be shuttered and Berwyn moved to Foster, but I'm glad to see the work is finally starting. My predictions:

  • Increased service on the 36, 136, 146, 147 & 151 (possibly artics for the 36 if they can fit on Broadway)
  • 148 extended to Berwyn
  • I was going to say 84 rerouted to Thorndale but then I read that Bryn Mawr is getting a temporary station
  • 92 rerouted to Lawrence or Wilson

Or maybe they'll just run a shuttle xD

Maybe the new Berwyn station could have entrances at both Berwyn and Foster. The platform could be in between the two streets.

I do agree that stops on that stretch of the Red Line are too close to each other, but I always see a lot of people at all those stops, and if some (e.g. Lawrence, Argyle) get shuttered, other stations would get overcrowded. A while back I was thinking Wilson should get moved to Montrose, and Argyle, Granville, and Jarvis could get shuttered, and Sheridan would become a Red/Purple stop, but that wouldn't make sense now.

Ideally, the 92 would get rerouted to Argyle, but I don't think buses would fit there. Lawrence will be closed, and Wilson is a bit far, so it might be better if the 92 gets rerouted to Bryn Mawr.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
4 hours ago, Anthony Devera said:

Maybe the new Berwyn station could have entrances at both Berwyn and Foster. The platform could be in between the two streets.

I do agree that stops on that stretch of the Red Line are too close to each other, but I always see a lot of people at all those stops, and if some (e.g. Lawrence, Argyle) get shuttered, other stations would get overcrowded. A while back I was thinking Wilson should get moved to Montrose, and Argyle, Granville, and Jarvis could get shuttered, and Sheridan would become a Red/Purple stop, but that wouldn't make sense now.

Ideally, the 92 would get rerouted to Argyle, but I don't think buses would fit there. Lawrence will be closed, and Wilson is a bit far, so it might be better if the 92 gets rerouted to Bryn Mawr.

Now that you say that, it does seem strange that Berwyn has no Foster entrance. Isn't Sheridan slated for removal though once they get to straightening out that curve?

Wilson is a little bit farther, but I figured it was better since riders would get access to the purple line and other bus connections and it would also be closer to the loop

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
21 hours ago, NewFlyerMCI said:

Now that you say that, it does seem strange that Berwyn has no Foster entrance. Isn't Sheridan slated for removal though once they get to straightening out that curve?

Wilson is a little bit farther, but I figured it was better since riders would get access to the purple line and other bus connections and it would also be closer to the loop

CTA has said before that they want a Glenlake entrance to Granville & then would close Thorndale.  I'm guessing that once the S turn is gone, a new station will be at Irving Park.  Now that Joe Moore isn't alderman anymore, Jarvis will probably go, he was the only one pushing to keep it, his aldermanic office was next door. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Does anyone have any idea about the layout of the rebuilt station entrance will be located?

Like for Lawrence, will this station have a main entrance and an auxiliary entrance on the other side of the street and another entrance at Leland? 

Argyle - Will this station have a main entrance and an auxiliary entrance on the other side of the street and another entrance/exit at Ainslie?

Berwyn - Will the main entrance be located in the same location it is at now and a new auxiliary entrance/exit at Foster? Will a bus terminal be built since the 92 and 146 terminate @ Berwyn?

Bryn Mawr - will this station have a main entrance and an auxiliary entrance on the other side of the street and a new auxiliary entrance/exit at Hollywood? 

I know all future stations will be 100% ADA compliant and will be up to 10 cars long and wide platforms like the rebuilt Wilson/Sunnyside Station.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
2 hours ago, renardo870 said:

Does anyone have any idea about the layout of the rebuilt station entrance will be located?

Like for Lawrence, will this station have a main entrance and an auxiliary entrance on the other side of the street and another entrance at Leland? 

Argyle - Will this station have a main entrance and an auxiliary entrance on the other side of the street and another entrance/exit at Ainslie?

Berwyn - Will the main entrance be located in the same location it is at now and a new auxiliary entrance/exit at Foster? Will a bus terminal be built since the 92 and 146 terminate @ Berwyn?

Bryn Mawr - will this station have a main entrance and an auxiliary entrance on the other side of the street and a new auxiliary entrance/exit at Hollywood? 

I know all future stations will be 100% ADA compliant and will be up to 10 cars long and wide platforms like the rebuilt Wilson/Sunnyside Station.

https://www.transitchicago.com/rpm/lawrmawr/

This should have what you're looking for

  • Thanks 1

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Join the conversation

You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.

Guest
Reply to this topic...

×   Pasted as rich text.   Restore formatting

  Only 75 emoji are allowed.

×   Your link has been automatically embedded.   Display as a link instead

×   Your previous content has been restored.   Clear editor

×   You cannot paste images directly. Upload or insert images from URL.


  • Similar Content

    • By BusHunter
      There is an article today that talks about the brown line flyover. I'm surprised they have to demolish up to 16 houses for this? Can't they just build over the existing structure?
       
      http://www.dnainfo.com/chicago/20140417/lakeview/ctas-belmont-station-bypass-16-lakeview-buildings-needed
    • By newport
      (starting a new thread since this topic really didn't fit under the Red-Purple Modernization thread)

      It looks like the Dan Ryan branch track project is going to roll out as someone else originally projected many weeks ago – a complete shutdown of the south branch of the Red Line from just south of Roosevelt to 95th. Subsequent to that post, I had heard that the CTA was going to offer a second option of weekend-only work for 4 years, but that the preferred plan was the complete 5-month shutdown. They had decided to present the second, weekend-only option, in order to give the appearance that they were offering the community and aldermen an option.

      Well, it now looks like the weekend-only closures option is not seriously being considered. They are going with the complete shutdown plan. The complete Dan Ryan branch shutdown will begin in spring 2013 and last through the summer.

      The details are basically as Mayfield laid out weeks ago:
      Red Line will shut down completely from south of Roosevelt station to 95th in spring 2013 The shutdown will continue for 5 months Southbound Red line trains will be rerouted to Green line tracks after stopping at Roosevelt and will serve all Green line stops to Ashland/63rd Express bus shuttles will run from Garfield Green station to 63rd, 69th, 79, 87th, and 95th Red. there will be other additional supplemental bus service
      One thing that changed since Mayfield outlined this plan is that the CTA intends to offer some free and discounted fares to some riders affected by the shutdown. This helped to ensure the support of the aldermen, at least in one office I am aware of. Not sure of the extent of these free fares. This is still under discussion. I heard possibly free shuttle buses and free fares boarding at Garfield Greenline station.

      Also, the CTA has reached out to and received the support of the Chicago Urban League (for support on hiring issues?). As I hear it, the big selling point is the number of jobs this project will create.

      This information is for your information and discussion. I have no official proof I will post, and no official sources I will identify. Doing so would probably cut off my source of info.
      .

    • By BusHunter
      Looks like they are putting a switch in from track 1 to track 2, just south of Lawrence/Red line. I guess that's part of the preliminary work that needs to be done before the project will start. Looks like they are starting at track 1 and working they're way to four, unlike both Belmont and Fullerton/Red line which was the opposite.
    • By BusHunter
      I took a few pictures of the Clark/Division station on the Red line. At street level, on Lasalle, they already have concrete staircases in place and the big hole over Division has been filled. Looks like they want to open up the street for November. At platform level, they have now opened up an area on the east side of the station and we can now see the decorative ceiling tiles they are installing. They also have one light bar installed, and the marble sheeting on the floor of the station in that section. (pictures from left to right are: Lasalle SE corner, Lasalle NE corner, station ceiling, station lightbar, station floor)




    • By sw4400
      I'm trying to follow the logic about the CTA wanting to extend the Red Line to 130th via a shared elevated embankment with a Union Pacific Freight Line. Are they saying that they will lay third rail next to existing freight tracks and share said tracks with a freight line? Initially, I thought not and that would be impossible, but when you put "share" in the context, that changes the meaning.

      If this is being read correctly, does the CTA realize what kind of delays they are in for from 95th to 130th? Freight Trains can be anywhere from 100-200 cars in length and cause "Freight Delays" on all Metra lines where Metra and Freight co-exist.

      Story
×
×
  • Create New...